From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Info tutorial is out of date Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:21:32 +0100 Message-ID: <20060717132132.GD1234@muc.de> References: <8564hy5aq6.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1153138880 29846 80.91.229.2 (17 Jul 2006 12:21:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:21:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 17 14:21:19 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2S5u-0002WD-BC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:21:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2S5t-0008Cg-KM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:21:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2S5c-0008AO-I4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:20:44 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2S5Z-000873-Id for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:20:43 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2S5Z-00086s-DW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:20:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [193.149.48.1] (helo=mail.muc.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G2S8E-0005Wk-9J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:23:26 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 57717 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2006 12:20:38 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (HELO localhost.localdomain) (Debian-exim@193.149.49.134) by mail.muc.de with SMTP; 17 Jul 2006 12:20:38 -0000 Original-Received: from acm by localhost.localdomain with local (Exim 4.50) id 1G2T2S-0001ct-6I; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:21:32 +0100 Original-To: Drew Adams Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:57174 Archived-At: Afternoon! On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 10:33:42AM -0700, Drew Adams wrote: Something I feel shouldn't be left to pass uncommented: > The most important functions are `i', `s', `g', `l', SPC, DEL, and > perhaps `T' and `L' (and maybe even `M-n'). They are certainly *NOT* > `n', `p', `u', `d', and `m'. In my own Info use, I use: `u' and `l', `TAB' and `CR' (on links) all the time; , also all the time; `n' and `m' quite often, `p' a little less so. `s', `t' and `d' every now and then. `g' I only really use for going to an index or navigating "my own" info file (which I know like the back of my hand). `[' and `]' practically never. `i', `SPC', `DEL', `b', `q' I can't remember ever using (maybe I should read the tutorial ;-). I frequently browse through the Emacs manual by following a link, then using `u' once or twice "to find out where I am" followed by `l' to get back to that link. I think everybody has their own pattern for using these commands, and it is not at all certain that `n', `p', `u', `d', and `m' are secondary in importance. > I think that must be our basic disagreement: what are the most > important Info functions and features to teach? Do we need to start by > teaching `n', `p', `u', `d', and `m'? Disregarding `m', I think that's almost the same question as "do we wish to teach that (most?) manuals are hierarchically structured?". -- Alan.