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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Info tutorial is out of date
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:44:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060717094418.GC1234@muc.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1G2I6T-0007sT-HM@fencepost.gnu.org>

Morning, Richard!

On Sun, Jul 16, 2006 at 09:40:57PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
>     Well, there are about 100 people on the Emacs project list, and 3
>     have taken exception to your m[o]usings.  Even assuming the other
>     ~97, none of whom has yet voiced an opinion on the matter, are
>     confirmed habitual mousers, that leaves 3% of users as mouse
>     haters.

> I am a mouse-disliker, but I am also an experienced Emacs user and I
> don't need to use the tutorial to learn how.

> I am sure there are other experienced Emacs users that dislike the
> mouse, but the question is about beginners.  Isn't it clear that nearly
> all beginners use the mouse?

Yes, but surely not all.  Might it still be that in poorer countries
there are newbies with PCs of insufficient power to support X?  There are
surely disabled people who cannot use a mouse without severe difficulty.
As well as lots of people who don't like using mice (at least 4 of whom
contribute to Emacs ;-)  [Could it perhaps be that Emacs is a magnet for
mouse-dislikers?]

I think it would be bad in an Emacs tutorial to create an impression that
a mouse was needed.  Separating out the description of `n' and `p' to an
appendix might well do this.

-- 
Alan.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-07-17  9:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-07-15 14:44 Info tutorial is out of date Drew Adams
2006-07-15 15:04 ` David Kastrup
2006-07-15 17:07   ` Drew Adams
2006-07-16  6:25     ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-16 17:33       ` Drew Adams
2006-07-16 18:02         ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-17 16:06         ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-20 19:03       ` Slawomir Nowaczyk
2006-07-20 23:10         ` Miles Bader
2006-07-21  1:11           ` Slawomir Nowaczyk
2006-07-15 17:46 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-07-15 23:41   ` Drew Adams
2006-07-16  8:29     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-07-16 17:33       ` Drew Adams
2006-07-16 17:52       ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-16 18:51         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-07-15 22:14 ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-15 22:56   ` martin rudalics
2006-07-15 23:41     ` Drew Adams
2006-07-15 23:41   ` Drew Adams
2006-07-16  0:26     ` Drew Adams
2006-07-16  6:23     ` David Kastrup
2006-07-16 17:33       ` Drew Adams
2006-07-16 17:49         ` David Kastrup
2006-07-20 19:03           ` Slawomir Nowaczyk
2006-07-16 18:42         ` Jay Belanger
2006-07-16 19:24           ` Lennart Borgman
2006-07-16 20:13             ` Jay Belanger
2006-07-16 20:28               ` Lennart Borgman
2006-07-20 19:03               ` Slawomir Nowaczyk
2006-07-20 19:35                 ` Jay Belanger
2006-07-16 22:16           ` Mathias Dahl
2006-07-17  3:09           ` Stefan Monnier
2006-07-17  3:54             ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-07-17  5:07               ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-07-17  5:54               ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-17 16:54                 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-17 19:06                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-17 23:01                     ` Drew Adams
2006-07-18  3:32                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-18  4:37                         ` Drew Adams
2006-07-18 19:42                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-18 22:19                             ` Drew Adams
2006-07-19  3:01                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-17 16:37               ` Drew Adams
2006-07-17 19:01                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-17 23:01                   ` Drew Adams
2006-07-18  3:34                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-18  4:37                       ` Drew Adams
2006-07-18 19:43                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-18 22:19                           ` Drew Adams
2006-07-19  3:02                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-18 13:37                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-18  0:13               ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-18  4:40                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-07-18  5:03                   ` Drew Adams
2006-07-18 15:00                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-17  4:20             ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-07-18  2:03             ` Miles Bader
2006-07-18 14:24               ` Stefan Monnier
2006-07-19  3:18                 ` Miles Bader
2006-07-17 16:06           ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-17 16:37           ` Drew Adams
2006-07-17 17:03             ` Jay Belanger
2006-07-17 17:11               ` Drew Adams
2006-07-17 19:01                 ` Jay Belanger
2006-07-17 23:01                   ` Drew Adams
2006-07-17 13:21         ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-17 16:37           ` Drew Adams
2006-07-20 19:03             ` Slawomir Nowaczyk
2006-07-20 22:41             ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]       ` <87k66devap.fsf_-_@hans.local.net>
2006-07-16 20:28         ` Info tutorial is out of date; mouse usage David Kastrup
2006-07-16 21:13           ` Drew Adams
2006-07-16  9:08     ` Info tutorial is out of date Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-16 17:33       ` Drew Adams
2006-07-16 18:44         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-07-16 22:28         ` Mathias Dahl
2006-07-16 23:35         ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-16 22:57           ` Mathias Dahl
2006-07-17  1:07           ` Drew Adams
2006-07-17  9:33             ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-17 12:49             ` Robert J. Chassell
2006-07-17  8:19           ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-18  2:29         ` Miles Bader
2006-07-18  4:37           ` Drew Adams
2006-07-18  7:03             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-07-18 15:00             ` "shortcut" Richard Stallman
2006-07-19  3:35             ` Info tutorial is out of date Miles Bader
2006-07-17  1:40       ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-17  2:16         ` Jay Belanger
2006-07-17  9:44         ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2006-07-17 12:25           ` Sascha Wilde
2006-07-17 14:37             ` Mathias Dahl
2006-07-17 14:41               ` Lennart Borgman
2006-07-17 16:37             ` Drew Adams
2006-07-17 18:57               ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-07-17 23:01                 ` Drew Adams
2006-07-18  9:38                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-18 15:28                     ` Drew Adams
2006-07-18 16:57                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-07-18 17:39                         ` Drew Adams
2006-07-18 19:06                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-07-18 17:34                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2006-07-17 16:37           ` Drew Adams
2006-07-19  2:23           ` Brad Collins
2006-07-19  9:53             ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-07-19 14:38             ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-17 12:48         ` Robert J. Chassell
2006-07-18  0:12           ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-18 13:39             ` David Hansen
2006-07-16  2:16   ` Jorgen Schaefer
2006-07-16 17:30   ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-16  6:25 ` Richard Stallman
2006-07-16 17:33   ` Drew Adams

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