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From: tomas@tuxteam.de
Cc: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: facemenu-unlisted-faces
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:00:52 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060713100052.GB4203@www.trapp.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m24pxlj50m.fsf@kenny.sha-bang.de>


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On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 10:14:17AM +0200, Sascha Wilde wrote:
> "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:
> 
> I haven't read the whole thread, so please forgive me if what I'm
> going to write is redundant...
> 
> [...]
> > FWIW - I never argued that anything should be bulletproof or that anything
> > shouldn't be changeable. My argument was that applying a text property (such
> > as boldness) to text is conceptually simpler and closer to what newbies are
> > used to than is applying a face to text. That's all.
> 
> I think I'm getting your point and I think you are right, that that's
> the way many (most?) people do WYSIWYG text formatting these days.
> But I also think, that this is the wrong way to do it, and that we
> shouldn't encourage it in any way.
> 
> Edited text should be marked up semantically, not by means of concrete
> visual properties.

[further arguments towards this elided]

FWIW, modern text programs (yes, even the one with the "W" on its name)
all try to coax the user into a more semantical markup. So yes, I think
it makes sense to try to seduce users into that way of thinking. Making
"visual markup" *the* obvious choice seems to be the wrong way.

regards
-- tomás

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Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-07-01 23:55 facemenu-unlisted-faces Richard Stallman
2006-07-02  0:33 ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Chong Yidong
2006-07-02  3:17   ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Drew Adams
2006-07-02 22:30     ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Richard Stallman
2006-07-02 23:50       ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Drew Adams
2006-07-03  7:44         ` facemenu-unlisted-faces David Kastrup
2006-07-03 14:34           ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Drew Adams
2006-07-04 12:55             ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Richard Stallman
2006-07-04 18:07               ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Drew Adams
2006-07-05 14:51                 ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Richard Stallman
2006-07-05 16:55                   ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Drew Adams
2006-07-06 13:32                     ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Richard Stallman
2006-07-06 15:52                       ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Drew Adams
2006-07-03 15:11           ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Chong Yidong
2006-07-03 16:48             ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Drew Adams
2006-07-04 12:55               ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Richard Stallman
2006-07-04 19:19                 ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Drew Adams
2006-07-05 14:51                   ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Richard Stallman
2006-07-05 16:54                     ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Drew Adams
2006-07-06 13:32                       ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Richard Stallman
2006-07-06 15:52                         ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Drew Adams
2006-07-07 19:30                           ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Richard Stallman
2006-07-07 22:49                             ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Drew Adams
2006-07-08 15:31                               ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Richard Stallman
2006-07-09  2:32                                 ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Drew Adams
2006-07-09  4:42                                   ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Miles Bader
2006-07-09  5:45                                     ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Drew Adams
2006-07-09 11:01                                       ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Miles Bader
2006-07-09 18:19                                         ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Drew Adams
2006-07-09 11:03                                       ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Robert J. Chassell
2006-07-09 18:19                                         ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Drew Adams
2006-07-09 21:08                                           ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Robert J. Chassell
2006-07-09 19:03                                       ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Richard Stallman
2006-07-09 20:29                                         ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Drew Adams
2006-07-09 19:03                                   ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Richard Stallman
2006-07-09 20:01                                     ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Drew Adams
2006-07-13  8:14                                   ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Sascha Wilde
2006-07-13 10:00                                     ` tomas [this message]
2006-07-13 10:49                                     ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Robert J. Chassell
2006-07-13 16:49                                     ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Drew Adams
2006-07-13 18:03                                       ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Miles Bader
2006-07-13 21:30                                         ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Drew Adams
2006-07-14  0:19                                           ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Miles Bader
2006-07-14 15:06                                             ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Drew Adams
2006-07-19  4:37                                               ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Miles Bader
2006-07-16  6:26                                           ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Richard Stallman
2006-07-16 17:33                                             ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Drew Adams
2006-07-17 16:06                                               ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Richard Stallman
2006-07-05 14:51                   ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Richard Stallman
2006-07-05 16:55                     ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Drew Adams
2006-07-09 14:12                   ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Richard Stallman
2006-07-09 18:19                     ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Drew Adams
2006-08-06  8:10     ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Drew Adams
2006-07-02 22:29   ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Richard Stallman
2006-07-03 14:34     ` facemenu-unlisted-faces Chong Yidong

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