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From: Luc Teirlinck <teirllm@dms.auburn.edu>
Cc: kehoea@parhasard.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Unicode Lisp reader escapes
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:37:56 -0500 (CDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200605102137.k4ALbuZX028709@jane.dms.auburn.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <uody593d6.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Wed, 10 May 2006 20:49:41 +0300)

Eli Zaretskii wrote:

   > It read ambiguously to me. ``Any Lisp object that you intend to refer to
   > again'' could be one that you intend to refer to in the bodies of the
   > functions you call.

   Can someone in the know (Richard?) state a clear rule?  I think the
   ELisp manual should be unequivocal about the GCPRO issue.

Reading in the Elisp manual:

    This is necessary whenever you call `Feval' or anything that can
    directly or indirectly call `Feval'.  At such a time, any Lisp
    object that you intend to refer to again must be protected
    somehow.

I have always interpreted this as meaning that as long as Feval is not
directly or indirectly called, there is no problem whatsoever.  If
Feval gets called, directly or indirectly, the memory for the object
may have been freed by gc, unless the object is protected some way or
the other, for instance by a GCPPRO.  If the object was not protected
in any way, then if after the call to Feval it gets referenced any way
whatsoever, directly or in the functions you call, from C or from
Lisp, trouble can result because its memory may have been freed.

Is there any _other_ way to understand the above quote from the Elisp
manual or am I just completely misunderstanding the issue?  If the
description in the above paragraph would not be accurate, then the
text would indeed be very misleading.

Sincerely,

Luc.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-05-10 21:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 202+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-29 15:35 [PATCH] Unicode Lisp reader escapes Aidan Kehoe
2006-04-29 23:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-04-30  8:26   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-04-30  3:04 ` Richard Stallman
2006-04-30  8:14   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-04-30 20:53     ` Richard Stallman
2006-04-30 21:04       ` Andreas Schwab
2006-04-30 21:57         ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-04-30 22:14           ` Andreas Schwab
2006-05-01 18:32         ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-01 19:03           ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-02  4:45             ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-02  0:46           ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-02  6:41           ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-02 21:36             ` Richard Stallman
2006-04-30 21:56       ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-01  1:44         ` Miles Bader
2006-05-01  3:12           ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-01  3:41             ` Miles Bader
2006-05-01 12:29               ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-05 23:15       ` Juri Linkov
2006-05-06 23:36         ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-09 20:43           ` Juri Linkov
2006-05-11  3:44             ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-11 12:03               ` Juri Linkov
2006-05-11 13:16                 ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-12  4:15                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-06-03 18:44                   ` Aidan Kehoe
     [not found]                   ` <17537.54719.354843.89030@parhasard.net>
     [not found]                     ` <ufyieqj0v.fsf@gnu.org>
2006-06-15 18:38                       ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-06-17 18:57                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-06-18 16:11                           ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-06-18 19:55                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-06-20  2:37                               ` Kenichi Handa
2006-06-20 17:56                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-06-23 18:35                                 ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-06-24  6:50                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-02  6:43 ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-02  7:00   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-02 10:45     ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-02 11:13       ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-02 19:31         ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-02 20:25           ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-02 22:16             ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-02 11:33     ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-02 22:50       ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-03  7:43         ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-03 17:21         ` Kevin Rodgers
2006-05-03 18:51           ` Andreas Schwab
2006-05-04 21:14             ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-08  1:31               ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-08  6:54                 ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-08 13:55                 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-08 14:24                   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-08 15:32                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-08 16:39                       ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-08 17:39                         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-09  7:04                           ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-09 19:05                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-10  6:05                               ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-10 17:49                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-10 21:37                                   ` Luc Teirlinck [this message]
2006-05-11  3:45                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-10 21:48                                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-05-11  1:08                                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-05-11  2:29                                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-05-11  3:46                                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-09  0:36                   ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-02 10:36   ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-02 10:59     ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-02 19:26       ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-03  2:59     ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-03  8:47       ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-03 14:21         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-03 18:26           ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-03 21:12             ` Ken Raeburn
2006-05-04 14:17             ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-04 16:41               ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-05 10:39                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-05 16:35                   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-05 19:05                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-05 19:20                   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-05 19:57                     ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-06 14:25                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-06 17:26                         ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-07  5:01                           ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-07  6:38                             ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-07  7:00                               ` David Kastrup
2006-05-07  7:15                                 ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-07 16:50                             ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-08 22:28                               ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-04  1:33           ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-04  8:23             ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-04 11:57               ` Kim F. Storm
2006-05-04 12:18                 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-04 12:21                   ` Kim F. Storm
2006-05-04 16:31                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-04 21:40                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-05 10:25                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-05 12:31                         ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-05 18:08                           ` Stuart D. Herring
2006-05-05 13:05                         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-05 17:23                           ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-04 13:07                 ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-04 16:32             ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-04 20:55               ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-05  9:33                 ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-05 10:02                   ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-05 18:33                   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-05 18:42                     ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-05 21:37                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-06 14:24                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-06 15:01                     ` Oliver Scholz
     [not found]                     ` <877j4z5had.fsf@gmx.de>
2006-05-07  5:00                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-07 12:38                         ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-07 21:26                           ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-08  1:14                             ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-08 22:29                             ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-09  3:42                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-09 20:41                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-09 21:03                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-10  3:33                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-09  5:13                               ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-10  3:20                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-10  5:37                                   ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-10  7:22                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-11  3:45                                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-11 12:41                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-11 12:51                                           ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-11 16:46                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-11  3:44                                     ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-11  3:44                                     ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-11  7:31                                       ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-12  4:14                                         ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-12  5:26                                           ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-13  4:52                                             ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-13 13:25                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-13 20:41                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-14 13:32                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-14 23:29                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-15  0:55                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-15  2:49                                                         ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-15  3:27                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-15 10:20                                                             ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-15 11:12                                                               ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-15 20:37                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-16  9:49                                                             ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-16 11:16                                                               ` Kim F. Storm
2006-05-16 11:39                                                                 ` Romain Francoise
2006-05-16 11:58                                                                 ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-16 14:24                                                                   ` Kim F. Storm
2006-05-17  3:45                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-17  8:37                                                                     ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-17 20:09                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-17 12:37                                                                     ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-19  2:05                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-19  8:47                                                                         ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-18  1:09                                                                     ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-21  0:57                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-22  1:33                                                                         ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-22 15:12                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-23  1:05                                                                             ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-23  5:18                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2006-05-24  2:18                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-06-02  6:49                                                                                   ` Kenichi Handa
2006-06-02  8:00                                                                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2006-06-02  9:27                                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2006-06-02 10:50                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-06-02 11:39                                                                                       ` Kenichi Handa
2006-06-02 12:12                                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2006-06-02 22:39                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-06-03  6:42                                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2006-06-04  2:23                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2006-06-05  7:24                                                                                             ` Kenichi Handa
2006-06-05 21:31                                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2006-06-07  1:24                                                                                                 ` Kenichi Handa
2006-06-02 22:39                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-24  2:17                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-17 15:15                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-17  3:45                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-17  3:45                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-17  8:53                                                                 ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-17 20:09                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-18  9:12                                                                     ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-15 20:37                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-15  5:13                                               ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-15  8:06                                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2006-05-15  9:04                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2006-05-15 20:38                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-15 14:08                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-15 20:37                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-16 10:07                                                   ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-18  0:31                                                   ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-11  9:44                                       ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-08  7:36                           ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-08  7:50                             ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-05 19:05               ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-05 21:43                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-06 14:25                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-04  1:26         ` Kenichi Handa
     [not found] <E1FaJ0b-0008G8-8u@monty-python.gnu.org>
2006-04-30 21:16 ` Jonathan Yavner
2006-05-01 18:32   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-02  5:03     ` Jonathan Yavner

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