From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: default-indicate-buffer-boundaries Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:29:50 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <200602020229.k122ToJ07104@raven.dms.auburn.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1138847637 19127 80.91.229.2 (2 Feb 2006 02:33:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 02:33:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 02 03:33:56 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F4UIB-00058N-EH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 03:33:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F4ULG-0003Fy-P9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:37:02 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1F4UL1-0003DF-Iy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:36:47 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1F4UL0-0003BS-FP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:36:46 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F4UKz-0003BG-8k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:36:46 -0500 Original-Received: from [131.204.53.104] (helo=manatee.dms.auburn.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F4UJc-0007g5-Rn; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:35:21 -0500 Original-Received: from raven.dms.auburn.edu (raven.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.29]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.13.3+Sun/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k122XOof024023; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:33:24 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by raven.dms.auburn.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id k122ToJ07104; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:29:50 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: miles@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from Miles Bader on Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:46:01 +0900) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.1 (manatee.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.104]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:33:24 -0600 (CST) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:49899 Archived-At: Miles Bader wrote: I don't understand Luc's complaint about the boundary icons "interfering" with other fringe indicators on the left -- there don't seem to be any common cases where that happens. What is common depends on your usage pattern. [`indicate-empty-lines' probably does do a better job of indicating "after eob" space, Yes it does and I believe that this is very important, especially given Emacs' overscrolling feature, which often confuses people. but I think it's unacceptably annoying given it's current default icon. If the icon was made less in-your-face, it might be acceptable. To me, the indicate-buffer-boundaries icons are _way_ more in your face and potentially distracting than the indicate-empty-lines icons, which is an additional reason why I do not like indicate-buffer-boundaries. To me, the indicate-empty-lines icons seem very subdued, exactly the opposite as the way they appear to you. I do not remember anybody other than you complaining about these icons being too "in-your-face". Sincerely, Luc.