From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Visual cleanup for customize buffers Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:07:30 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <200601141507.k0EF7Uw15980@raven.dms.auburn.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1137255507 17693 80.91.229.2 (14 Jan 2006 16:18:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:18:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, storm@cua.dk Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 14 17:18:19 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Exo6W-0008FD-PP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:18:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Exo8F-0006ee-WD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:20:00 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Exn5j-0001MY-B8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:13:19 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Exn5d-0001KR-DB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:13:15 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Exn5M-00018o-H4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:12:56 -0500 Original-Received: from [131.204.53.104] (helo=manatee.dms.auburn.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Exn8Q-0008Ud-Gi; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:16:06 -0500 Original-Received: from raven.dms.auburn.edu (raven.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.29]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.13.3+Sun/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0EFAKtO004128; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:10:20 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by raven.dms.auburn.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id k0EF7Uw15980; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:07:30 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-reply-to: (rms@gnu.org) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.1 (manatee.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.104]); Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:10:20 -0600 (CST) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:49073 Archived-At: Richard Stallman wrote: - Don't show the "Hide value" button for trivial values which fit on one line initially. I don't see ANY reason why a user would click on that button to, say, hide a boolean or numeric value. That seems ok to me, provided the problem Luc is concerned about is not a real problem. There also is another problem: Kim's change would not allow you to hide anything that is not an atom. That may include large strings or vectors. For instance, you would no longer be able to hide the value of initial-scratch-message. That value hinders navigation in the buffer. For instance, if you do `emacs -q', then `M-x customize-group initialization', and then position point say between Initial and Message in "Initial Scratch Message", then do `C-n', you will see that point gets stuck. Sincerely, Luc.