From: Paul Pogonyshev <pogonyshev@gmx.net>
Cc: pmr@pajato.com, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: Re: Right Alt/Meta keys on Windows systems
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:13:02 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200512292313.02799.pogonyshev@gmx.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r77v3dt8.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
Stefan Monnier wrote:
> >> That's another issue altogether, let's not add to confusion.
>
> > No it's not. If someone proposes to override system differentiation
> > of the two Alt keys and treat them the same, while I propose to fully
> > honor the system differentiation of the Alt keys (if they are considered
> > different by the system to begin with), that's not another issue. Those
> > are two opposing views on the same issue.
>
> Actually you are not proposing to "fully honor the system differentiation of
> the Alt keys". You are only proposing to make LEIM understand the
> Mode_switch key. Emacs already obeys your system's setup where what you
> think of as a "right alt key" is actually not an alt key but a Mode_switch.
> As a matter of fact, it'd be hard for Emacs not to obey this differentiation
> because as far as Emacs is concerned this is *not* an alt key in any sense
> of the word (otherwise it would send an Alt_L or Alt_R event and it'd be
> bound to some modifier bit rather than sending a Mode_switch event).
Frankly, I don't care a little bit how it looks from Emacs point of view.
It is not there for Emacs convenience, it is there for the user convenience.
When I configure `xkb' to make right Alt disable the current layout while
pressed, I expect right Alt to disable the current layout, sort of. When
in Emacs right Alt is essentially ignored ([right Alt]-ъ types `ъ' just as
simple `ъ' does), that has no useful value for me at all.
If Mode_switch has multiple functions (I don't really know about `xkb'),
then it should possible for Emacs to decide which exact operation it should
perform on Mode_switch. If it is not possible to deduce automatically, then
Emacs should ask the user (probably passively, by providing a customization
option.)
Yes, I'm proposing that LEIM behaves more like `xkb' layout switcher. Do
you not see that they do the same thing: they switch layouts? Do you not
agree that when there are such strong parallels between two different
mechanism functionalities, it is very convenient when they also have the
same interface?
> So as Eli said, please let's not add to confusion.
The current ignoring of Mode_switch confuses _me_ as a user.
Paul
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-12-29 21:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-12-28 15:41 Right Alt/Meta keys on Windows systems Paul Michael Reilly
2005-12-28 17:27 ` Lennart Borgman
2005-12-28 19:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-12-28 19:55 ` Lennart Borgman
2005-12-28 19:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-12-28 19:55 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2005-12-28 20:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-12-28 20:31 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2005-12-28 20:54 ` Lennart Borgman
2005-12-30 8:54 ` Mathias Dahl
2005-12-29 0:00 ` Paul Michael Reilly
2005-12-29 0:07 ` Lennart Borgman
2005-12-29 4:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-12-29 6:08 ` Paul Michael Reilly
2005-12-29 19:19 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2005-12-30 4:56 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-30 19:12 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2005-12-31 17:40 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-31 18:47 ` David Kastrup
2005-12-29 20:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-12-29 23:22 ` Paul Michael Reilly
2005-12-30 3:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-12-29 4:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-12-29 19:10 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2005-12-29 19:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-12-29 21:13 ` Paul Pogonyshev [this message]
2005-12-30 0:55 ` Juri Linkov
2005-12-30 19:11 ` Mode_switch and LEIM (was Re: Right Alt/Meta keys on Windows systems) Paul Pogonyshev
2005-12-31 0:59 ` Mode_switch and LEIM Juri Linkov
2005-12-31 5:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-12-31 16:04 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2005-12-31 16:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-01-01 19:18 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2005-12-30 3:50 ` Right Alt/Meta keys on Windows systems Stefan Monnier
2005-12-30 4:02 ` Mode_switch and LEIM Stefan Monnier
2005-12-30 19:16 ` Paul Pogonyshev
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