From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: toolbar conventions Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:11:15 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <200512180311.jBI3BFT21120@raven.dms.auburn.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1134875772 3882 80.91.229.2 (18 Dec 2005 03:16:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 03:16:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 18 04:16:10 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Enoz4-0008W3-Cz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 04:13:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Enozq-0002gT-8r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:14:02 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Enoze-0002eT-Uh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:13:51 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Enoze-0002dp-DN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:13:50 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Enoze-0002dm-Az for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:13:50 -0500 Original-Received: from [131.204.53.104] (helo=manatee.dms.auburn.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Enp2L-0005pu-NS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:16:37 -0500 Original-Received: from raven.dms.auburn.edu (raven.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.29]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.13.3+Sun/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jBI3D00S023478; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:13:00 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by raven.dms.auburn.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id jBI3BFT21120; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:11:15 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: drew.adams@oracle.com In-reply-to: X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.1 (manatee.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.104]); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:13:00 -0600 (CST) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:47977 Archived-At: Drew Adams wrote: Please note that there was a fairly thorough discussion of exactly this topic on the emacs-pretest list between 2005-01-22 and 2005-01-27 (hence the log comment by RMS on 1-30). A discussion, no matter how thorough, does not update all docs and code. The Emacs manual was changed, but not the Elisp manual, which uses the term "user option" much more often than the Emacs manual, nor any other manual, nor the Custom interface itself, nor any docstrings, nor any code, nor any comments, nor any of the countless other stuff that would need to be updated. If we want to return to a consistent terminology, reversing the change would be a lot less work than consistently implementing it. Note that with the current Emacs manual terminology talking about "the option foo" makes no sense. There could be two options foo: a variable foo and a possibly unrelated face foo. Variables and faces have different name spaces. Sincerely, Luc.