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From: Luc Teirlinck <teirllm@dms.auburn.edu>
Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: "What's This?" in Describe submenu
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:55:56 -0500 (CDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200508232055.j7NKtuO17400@raven.dms.auburn.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <uek8kwja6.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:22:09 +0300)

Eli Zaretskii wrote:

   Surely, it should be possible to explain what some menu or button does
   without going to the manual!

It should be possible to explain what a menu item or button does
without going either to the manual _or_ the docstring.  Ideally, the
name makes it clear, if not the tooltip should make it clear.

For instance:

   Unless, of course, we change the name to "Describe Key or Menu Item
   or Toolbar Button or Custom Button or Mode-line Click or...".

No, one could just make the tooltip say:

Display documentation of command bound to a key, menu-item or mouse click.

Note that the person who started the thread you mentioned did not ask
for docstrings because the tooltips were not clear enough.  He wanted
to get rid of the tooltips because he found the names were already
clear enough and because he found tooltips popping up where he was
working annoying.  He wanted the tooltips (not docstrings) to only
show up after pressing S-F1.

Somehow. nobody told him that he could just disable Tooltip mode and
that the tooltips would still be available in the echo area. 

Sincerely,

Luc.

  reply	other threads:[~2005-08-23 20:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-08-21  8:21 "What's This?" in Describe submenu martin rudalics
2005-08-21 17:26 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-08-21 17:59   ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-08-21 21:22     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-08-21 21:38       ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-08-22  3:35         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-08-22  3:55           ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-08-22  4:30           ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-08-22 20:04             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-08-22 23:39               ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-08-21 22:10       ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-08-21 17:45 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-08-21 18:35 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-08-22  0:06 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-08-22  0:50   ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-08-22  8:52     ` Lennart Borgman
2005-08-22  9:09     ` Lennart Borgman
2005-08-22 19:35     ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-08-22 22:16       ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-08-22 22:59       ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-08-22  1:59   ` David Robinow
2005-08-22  3:38     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-08-22  7:17     ` Jason Rumney
2005-08-22 10:43       ` David Kastrup
2005-08-22 19:35     ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-08-22 23:15       ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-08-22  7:58   ` Kim F. Storm
2005-08-22 16:37     ` Drew Adams
2005-08-23  1:29       ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-08-22 19:53     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-08-22 20:15       ` Stefan Monnier
2005-08-23  3:42         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-08-23  0:08       ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-08-23  3:47         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-08-23  4:23           ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-08-23 14:40             ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-08-23 19:22             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-08-23 20:55               ` Luc Teirlinck [this message]
2005-08-23  4:29           ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-08-23  7:15             ` Jason Rumney
2005-08-23 14:37               ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-08-23  4:40           ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-08-23 19:36             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-08-23 20:56               ` Jason Rumney
2005-08-24  3:38                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-08-24 12:46                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-08-24 14:10                     ` David Robinow
2005-08-24 18:51                       ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-08-25 10:42                       ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-08-23  4:56           ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-08-23 19:34             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-08-23 19:56               ` Stefan Monnier
2005-08-23 23:05                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-08-24 10:33                 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-08-23 22:02               ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-08-24  3:46                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-08-25  8:54                   ` Kim F. Storm
2005-08-25 18:05                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-08-23  1:29     ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-08-22 16:23   ` Drew Adams
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-08-23 14:08 Drew Adams
2005-08-23 14:31 ` David Kastrup
2005-08-23 19:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-08-23 20:53   ` Jason Rumney
2005-08-24  3:39     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-08-24  7:15       ` Jason Rumney

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