From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: unnecessary fringe-indicators defcustom creates trouble Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:04:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <200508010404.j7144s902996@raven.dms.auburn.edu> References: <200507290113.j6T1Drc18126@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1122869316 12417 80.91.229.2 (1 Aug 2005 04:08:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 04:08:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 01 06:08:34 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DzRau-0007uo-Pl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 06:08:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DzRdX-0006c5-RK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 00:10:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DzRc8-0006WV-BD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 00:09:20 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DzRc3-0006T9-HA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 00:09:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DzRc2-0006SR-OW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 00:09:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [131.204.53.104] (helo=manatee.dms.auburn.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DzRju-0007Fm-Ii; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 00:17:22 -0400 Original-Received: from raven.dms.auburn.edu (raven.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.29]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7144uqt002217; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:04:56 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by raven.dms.auburn.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id j7144s902996; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:04:54 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-reply-to: (rms@gnu.org) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:41395 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:41395 Richard Stallman wrote: But I agree it shouldn't get in the way of setting the other variables directly, if you want to do that. So I propose this change. This is going to be very ugly when explained in the Emacs manual. In the Emacs manual you still will have to use (default-)indicate-empty-lines and (default-)indicate-buffer-boundaries, because only they can be given buffer local values (in the non default- version) and only they can be set in .emacs (in the default- version). Then you will have to explain that to be able to safely use the default- versions, you have to set the menu bar variable fringe-indicators to 'other, to avoid having your customizations overridden by inadvertently loading fringe.el. This is all unnecessarily complicated. Sincerely, Luc.