From: jari.aalto@cante.net (Jari Aalto+mail.linux)
Cc: nickrob@snap.net.nz, eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Key binding M-g should really be goto-line autolearn=no version=3.0.2 autolearn=no version=3.0.2
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:17:37 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050302121736.VGBF13446.fep32-app.kolumbus.fi@cante.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20050302083113.YHKM20421.fep01-app.kolumbus.fi@cante.net
| Nobody explained good arguments why current M-g is immovable?
|
| ,----
| | http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2004-03/msg00642.html
| | From: Richard Stallman
| |
| | "I want Emacs to move in the direction of doing word processing. It
| | may take years, but we will get there. Then commands to specify faces
| | will become important, and will need a good key binding.
| |
| | I chose the M-g binding for that reason, and the reason continues to
| | have force. So I don't intend to change that binding."
| `----
I meant "immovable" - in literal sense. I'm not suggesting that the
facemenu is removed. But I have big question in my mind why it has to be at
M-g - at binding - which doesn't even sound anything familiar to do with
faces.
| I really feel that the use of
| goto-line to warrant a single char key binding is overblown--specially
| for a single keystroke binding!; if people use it that often then one
| should write a proper mode for Emacs to ease whatever one is doing
| instead of introducing a new keybinding.
What I want to demonstrate is that there is daily need for it; when it is
needed. It's not my invention, while I'm speaker of it here. Perhaps there
is some blindness to see this from another perspective?
Example: How would students/designers use Emacs for PHP coding, where the
remote site displays error messages and line numbers in a web page?
Host A Host B
Win Linux, Unix (Apache/PHP)
client => PHP program
The client A sees Host B's PHP files through SSH, FTP, Version control
or even SAMBA shares. Program is run at B, but browser at A is used
to control it.
NOTE: PHP is the most popular Web development language ever and it has
skyrocketed since 2000. Now that is has proper OO with 5.x, I assume the
popularity will grow even more.
This is not a small issue. Try coding 10 000 lines of PHP without
goto-line. The most, the daily bread is programming, not the "text editing"
features that M-g is offering.
Would anyone really consider facemenu-keymap to be more important, more
essential than the primitive goto-line functionality?
Jari
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-03-02 12:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-03-01 22:58 Key binding M-g should really be goto-line Jari Aalto+mail.emacs
2005-03-01 23:35 ` David Kastrup
2005-03-02 4:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-03-02 5:39 ` Nick Roberts
2005-03-02 6:24 ` Miles Bader
2005-03-02 8:31 ` Key binding M-g should really be goto-line autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Jari Aalto+mail.emacs
2005-03-02 11:30 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2005-03-02 12:15 ` Miles Bader
2005-03-02 13:54 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2005-03-02 20:54 ` Miles Bader
2005-03-02 12:43 ` Andreas Schwab
2005-03-02 14:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-02 14:13 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2005-03-02 12:17 ` Jari Aalto+mail.linux [this message]
2005-03-02 13:42 ` Key binding M-g should really be goto-line Kim F. Storm
2005-03-02 13:53 ` Key binding M-g should really be goto-line autolearn=no version=3.0.2 autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Alfred M. Szmidt
2005-03-02 15:36 ` Key binding M-g should really be goto-line autolearn=no version=3.0.2 " Jari Aalto
2005-03-02 19:03 ` Key binding M-g should really be goto-line autolearn=noversion=3.0.2 " Drew Adams
2005-03-03 12:29 ` Andreas Schwab
2005-03-03 17:27 ` Drew Adams
2005-03-03 21:18 ` Kevin Rodgers
2005-03-03 22:24 ` Drew Adams
2005-03-04 23:45 ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-05 0:24 ` Miles Bader
2005-03-05 0:49 ` Key binding M-g should really be goto-lineautolearn=noversion=3.0.2 " Drew Adams
2005-03-05 1:27 ` Miles Bader
2005-03-05 1:55 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-03-05 11:05 ` Reiner Steib
2005-03-05 2:00 ` Drew Adams
2005-03-05 2:32 ` Miles Bader
2005-03-05 19:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-05 19:32 ` Miles Bader
2005-03-05 20:22 ` Key binding M-g should really be goto-line Johan Bockgård
2005-03-05 23:16 ` Miles Bader
2005-03-06 9:50 ` David Kastrup
2005-03-06 21:15 ` Key binding M-g should really be goto-line autolearn=noversion=3.0.2 autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Kim F. Storm
2005-03-06 22:38 ` Miles Bader
2005-03-06 22:40 ` Miles Bader
2005-03-03 21:58 ` Andreas Schwab
2005-03-02 18:18 ` Key binding M-g should really be goto-line " Eli Zaretskii
2005-03-01 23:49 ` Key binding M-g should really be goto-line Alfred M. Szmidt
2005-03-02 1:00 ` Ralf Angeli
2005-03-02 1:14 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2005-03-02 8:08 ` Ralf Angeli
2005-03-02 1:19 ` David Kastrup
2005-03-02 13:40 ` Robert J. Chassell
2005-03-02 2:01 ` Key binding M-g should really be goto-line autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Jari Aalto+mail.linux
2005-03-02 2:06 ` Key binding M-g should really be goto-line Luc Teirlinck
2005-03-03 2:29 ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-02 9:24 ` Kai Großjohann
2005-03-02 11:15 ` Jari Aalto+mail.emacs
2005-03-02 13:52 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2005-03-02 14:50 ` Josh Varner
2005-03-02 16:38 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2005-03-02 17:16 ` Reiner Steib
2005-03-02 17:52 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2005-03-02 19:01 ` Johan Bockgård
2005-03-02 20:23 ` Gaetan Leurent
2005-03-02 20:46 ` Miles Bader
2005-03-02 20:33 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2005-03-02 15:38 ` Jari Aalto
2005-03-03 2:29 ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-03 7:19 ` Jari Aalto
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