From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Eliminating "changed in Emacs outside of Customize" Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:04:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <200502040104.j14141603994@raven.dms.auburn.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1107479496 5053 80.91.229.2 (4 Feb 2005 01:11:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 01:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, abraham@dina.kvl.dk Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 04 02:11:35 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cws0P-0007eG-B7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2005 02:11:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CwsDp-0007Zh-Qu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:25:21 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1CwsDF-0007SC-N4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:24:46 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1CwsD5-0007Jt-LV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:24:38 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CwsD4-0007DP-0G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:24:34 -0500 Original-Received: from [131.204.53.104] (helo=manatee.dms.auburn.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CwruS-0008Tc-7j; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:05:20 -0500 Original-Received: from raven.dms.auburn.edu (raven.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.29]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1415I9N024918; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:05:18 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by raven.dms.auburn.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id j14141603994; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:04:01 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: drew.adams@oracle.com In-reply-to: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:32852 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:32852 Drew Adams wrote: The question is about the _UI_ only. Does it help users or get in their way to have such a distinction in the UI? Actually the following might help users even more: State: this option has been changed outside the customize buffer. Customizing this through Custom can have unpredictable results. That last line is definitely _not_ an overstatement. After Emacs 21.4 is out we could try to make sure that those lines basically never will appear, by trying to eliminate the (unfortunately numerous) situations that give rise to it. Sincerely, Luc.