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From: Andries Brouwer <Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl>
Cc: Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
	Jari Aalto <jari.aalto@cante.net>
Subject: Re: cc-mode adds newlines
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:13:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041119231343.GA19603@apps.cwi.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1041119201717.473A-100000@acm.acm>

On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 08:27:48PM +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, Jari Aalto wrote:
> 
> >| Working with emacs 21.3.
> >| Struggled for a while to get emacs to save a file without final newline.
> >| ...The point is: emacs must not start changing my files without
> >| being asked.
> 
> >I agree. The problem is not just in CC mode, but also in other modes as
> >well. Could someone from the dev team address these below.
> 
> In CC mode, there is the (customisable) variable c-require-final-newline,
> an association list, which you can set to either t, nil, or "don't
> touch!" for each language independently.  The thinking is that some
> languages' syntaxes absolutely require a final newline (I haven't myself
> checked if this is true), and that only in those languages (C, C++,
> Objective-C) is c-require-final-newline set to t. 

But of course this thinking is flawed. In many ways.
It is not the goal of an editor to force the user to
write syntactically correct programs.
It is excellent if the editor helps the user, warns for
things that often are mistakes, etc. But the user is the
final authority.
In this case of newlines emacs considers itself as final
authority. That is a serious bug. It must ask by default.

Andries

# cat > hi.c
main(){ printf("hi!\n");}# 
# cat hi.c
main(){ printf("hi!\n");}# cc hi.c
# a.out
hi!
# 

It is not true that all dialects of C require a final newline.


The introduction of this alist was a bug.
The introduction of c-require-final-newline was a bug.
The variable require-final-newline expresses well what the user wants.

  reply	other threads:[~2004-11-19 23:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 112+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.3671.1100818498.8225.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2004-11-18 23:23 ` cc-mode adds newlines Kevin Rodgers
2004-11-19  0:46   ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-18 23:31 ` Jari Aalto
2004-11-19 20:27   ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-11-19 23:13     ` Andries Brouwer [this message]
2004-11-20  0:13       ` Miles Bader
2004-11-20 15:14       ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-11-21  2:08         ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 10:00           ` Miles Bader
2004-11-21 11:38             ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 12:08               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2004-11-21 12:45                 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 12:58                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2004-11-21 13:03                     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 13:09                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2004-11-25 15:59                         ` cc-mode adds newlines version=2.64 Jari Aalto
2004-11-22  0:03                     ` cc-mode adds newlines Stefan Monnier
2004-11-21 12:53               ` Miles Bader
2004-11-21 13:00                 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 13:14                   ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 13:35                     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 13:41                       ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 13:54                         ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 15:54                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-11-21 11:06           ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 11:45             ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 12:08               ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 11:41           ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-11-21 12:26             ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 12:34               ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 12:49                 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 13:08                   ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 13:28                     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 13:37                       ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 13:43                         ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 13:51                           ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 14:03                             ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 15:01                               ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 15:08                                 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-22 19:21                                   ` Kevin Rodgers
2004-11-21 15:18                               ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-21 15:36                                 ` Andries Brouwer
     [not found]                       ` <01c4d003$Blat.v2.2.2$3d9a05c0@zahav.net.il>
2004-11-21 21:28                         ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-22  4:35                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-11-22  9:04                           ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 13:52               ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-11-21 14:29                 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 15:07                   ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 15:20                     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 19:03                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2004-11-21 21:19                     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 21:46                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2004-11-21 22:19                         ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-22 11:54                       ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2004-11-22 15:54                         ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-22 16:56                           ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-21 15:50                 ` Kai Grossjohann
2004-11-22 19:20                   ` Kevin Rodgers
2004-11-24 10:12                     ` Kai Grossjohann
     [not found]               ` <01c4d002$Blat.v2.2.2$50b57dc0@zahav.net.il>
2004-11-21 21:21                 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-22  4:31                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-11-22  0:12             ` Stefan Monnier
2004-11-22 14:07             ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-22 15:52               ` Stefan Monnier
2004-11-22 19:16                 ` Kevin Rodgers
2004-11-22 20:06                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-11-24  2:27                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-24  4:27                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-11-28 14:45                     ` Martin Stjernholm
2004-11-29  6:11                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-30 10:51                         ` Martin Stjernholm
2004-12-01  2:56                           ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-21 14:47           ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-21 15:03             ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 15:39         ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-21 21:47           ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-11-23 16:30             ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-25  2:21             ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-25 20:35               ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-11-18 23:31 ` Jari Aalto
     [not found] ` <mailman.3684.1100821293.8225.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2004-11-19  0:14   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-11-19 20:04     ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]     ` <mailman.56.1100895632.27204.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2004-11-19 22:00       ` Hallvard B Furuseth
2004-11-21 15:38         ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]         ` <mailman.416.1101052189.27204.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2004-11-22  5:55           ` Paul D. Smith
     [not found]           ` <mailman.619.1101127694.27204.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2004-11-22 18:55             ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]             ` <mailman.723.1101150150.27204.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2004-11-22 19:37               ` Hallvard B Furuseth
2004-11-22 22:49                 ` Andreas Schwab
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.778.1101164414.27204.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2004-11-28 19:39                   ` Hallvard B Furuseth
2004-11-28 16:56 Andries.Brouwer
     [not found] ` <Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl>
2004-11-28 17:17   ` Martin Stjernholm
2004-11-28 20:20     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-29  0:14       ` Kim F. Storm
2004-11-30  7:01       ` Richard Stallman
2004-12-31 15:26         ` Richard Stallman
2004-12-31 16:56           ` Andries Brouwer
2005-01-02 16:05             ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-02 18:02               ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-30  7:01 ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-30  8:11   ` David Kastrup
2004-12-01  2:56     ` Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-11-18 22:45 Andries.Brouwer
2003-01-24  5:18 Luc Teirlinck
2003-01-24  2:41 Luc Teirlinck
2003-01-24  1:36 Luc Teirlinck
2003-01-25 19:22 ` Richard Stallman
     [not found] ` <mailman.985.1043522856.21513.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-01-26 20:24   ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
     [not found] <mailman.884.1043357104.21513.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-01-23 23:35 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2003-01-23 22:41 Luc Teirlinck
2003-01-23 21:52 Luc Teirlinck
2003-01-23 21:25 Luc Teirlinck
2003-01-23 13:17 Rommerskirchen Heinrich

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