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From: <Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl>
Subject: cc-mode adds newlines
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:45:32 +0100 (MET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200411182245.iAIMjWZ15062@apps.cwi.nl> (raw)

Working with emacs 21.3.
Struggled for a while to get emacs to save a file without final newline.

It is very bad that an editor decides to change my files behind
my back. If it asks "shall I add?", that is OK. If there is a
user variable that one can set so that it will never ask, that
is OK as well. But the default must always be not to damage
the user's files by doing "helpful" things.

OK. There is a variable require-final-newline.
But setting it did not make any difference.
The setting was overridden by cc-mode.el.

So, it looks like this aspect of emacs 21.3 is broken.

Asking Google I find a lot of discussion about the topic.
Apparently I am not the only one who hates it if the editor
changes files without having been asked to.
There is talk about c-require-final-newline as a variable,
or perhaps as an alist.

I see discussion about what languages have formal standards
that require source code lines to end with newline.
But that is all completely beside the point.
The point is: emacs must not start changing my files without
being asked. It doesnt do other things to my source code
(fortunately) to make it more "correct".
An editor must not "fix" my grammar, or spelling, or layout,
or anything at all in the source file without having been asked.

Andries

             reply	other threads:[~2004-11-18 22:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-11-18 22:45 Andries.Brouwer [this message]
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2004-11-28 16:56 cc-mode adds newlines Andries.Brouwer
     [not found] ` <Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl>
2004-11-28 17:17   ` Martin Stjernholm
2004-11-28 20:20     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-29  0:14       ` Kim F. Storm
2004-11-30  7:01       ` Richard Stallman
2004-12-31 15:26         ` Richard Stallman
2004-12-31 16:56           ` Andries Brouwer
2005-01-02 16:05             ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-02 18:02               ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-30  7:01 ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-30  8:11   ` David Kastrup
2004-12-01  2:56     ` Richard Stallman
     [not found] <mailman.3671.1100818498.8225.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2004-11-18 23:23 ` Kevin Rodgers
2004-11-19  0:46   ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-18 23:31 ` Jari Aalto
2004-11-19 20:27   ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-11-19 23:13     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-20  0:13       ` Miles Bader
2004-11-20 15:14       ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-11-21  2:08         ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 10:00           ` Miles Bader
2004-11-21 11:38             ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 12:08               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2004-11-21 12:45                 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 12:58                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2004-11-21 13:03                     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 13:09                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2004-11-22  0:03                     ` Stefan Monnier
2004-11-21 12:53               ` Miles Bader
2004-11-21 13:00                 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 13:14                   ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 13:35                     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 13:41                       ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 13:54                         ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 15:54                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-11-21 11:06           ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 11:45             ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 12:08               ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 11:41           ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-11-21 12:26             ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 12:34               ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 12:49                 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 13:08                   ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 13:28                     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 13:37                       ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 13:43                         ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 13:51                           ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 14:03                             ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 15:01                               ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 15:08                                 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-22 19:21                                   ` Kevin Rodgers
2004-11-21 15:18                               ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-21 15:36                                 ` Andries Brouwer
     [not found]                       ` <01c4d003$Blat.v2.2.2$3d9a05c0@zahav.net.il>
2004-11-21 21:28                         ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-22  4:35                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-11-22  9:04                           ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 13:52               ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-11-21 14:29                 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 15:07                   ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 15:20                     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 19:03                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2004-11-21 21:19                     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 21:46                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2004-11-21 22:19                         ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-22 11:54                       ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2004-11-22 15:54                         ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-22 16:56                           ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-21 15:50                 ` Kai Grossjohann
2004-11-22 19:20                   ` Kevin Rodgers
2004-11-24 10:12                     ` Kai Grossjohann
     [not found]               ` <01c4d002$Blat.v2.2.2$50b57dc0@zahav.net.il>
2004-11-21 21:21                 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-22  4:31                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-11-22  0:12             ` Stefan Monnier
2004-11-22 14:07             ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-22 15:52               ` Stefan Monnier
2004-11-22 19:16                 ` Kevin Rodgers
2004-11-22 20:06                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-11-24  2:27                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-24  4:27                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-11-28 14:45                     ` Martin Stjernholm
2004-11-29  6:11                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-30 10:51                         ` Martin Stjernholm
2004-12-01  2:56                           ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-21 14:47           ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-21 15:03             ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 15:39         ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-21 21:47           ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-11-23 16:30             ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-25  2:21             ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-25 20:35               ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-11-18 23:31 ` Jari Aalto
     [not found] ` <mailman.3684.1100821293.8225.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2004-11-19  0:14   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-11-19 20:04     ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]     ` <mailman.56.1100895632.27204.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2004-11-19 22:00       ` Hallvard B Furuseth
2004-11-21 15:38         ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]         ` <mailman.416.1101052189.27204.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2004-11-22  5:55           ` Paul D. Smith
     [not found]           ` <mailman.619.1101127694.27204.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2004-11-22 18:55             ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]             ` <mailman.723.1101150150.27204.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2004-11-22 19:37               ` Hallvard B Furuseth
2004-11-22 22:49                 ` Andreas Schwab
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.778.1101164414.27204.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2004-11-28 19:39                   ` Hallvard B Furuseth
2003-01-24  5:18 Luc Teirlinck
2003-01-24  2:41 Luc Teirlinck
2003-01-24  1:36 Luc Teirlinck
2003-01-25 19:22 ` Richard Stallman
     [not found] ` <mailman.985.1043522856.21513.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-01-26 20:24   ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
     [not found] <mailman.884.1043357104.21513.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-01-23 23:35 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2003-01-23 22:41 Luc Teirlinck
2003-01-23 21:52 Luc Teirlinck
2003-01-23 21:25 Luc Teirlinck
2003-01-23 13:17 Rommerskirchen Heinrich

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