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From: Luc Teirlinck <teirllm@dms.auburn.edu>
Cc: eliz@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Current CVS doesn't bootstrap
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:25:35 -0600 (CST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200411070125.iA71PZx00083@raven.dms.auburn.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <je1xf6ijgy.fsf@sykes.suse.de> (message from Andreas Schwab on Sun, 07 Nov 2004 01:35:57 +0100)

Andreas Schwab wrote:

   Alternatively, we could implement an option that tells load to ignore
   *.elc files that are out of date and load the *.el file instead.

This would actually be a change that would be far more drastic and
general than the two alternatives.  Its effect would not be limited to
bootstrapping.

I believe we discussed this before and the reasons for not doing so
still remain valid.  If I make changes to a .el file, then at a given
moment I have to save these to disk.  But that does not mean that the
file is ready for use.  It only is when I compile and take a look at
what the compiler has to say.

Also, it could lead to a slowdown in the functions in the file, which
might be confusing to the user, who might not know that the .el file
is being used.

Moreover, if a .el file is newer than the .elc file, then I _believe_
that the present version of make bootstrap _already_ recompiles
anyway.  (It is a long time ago that I did a `make bootstrap' without
a prior `make maintainer-clean', however.) 

I believe that your proposed solution would not help with some of the
most common problems that arise with the current version of `make
bootstrap' (without prior `make maintainer-clean').  One of these is
changes in byte compilation.

Another problem (that can lead to very confusing results) is if you
make changes to a bunch of files, revert the changes and forget to
manually recompile some of the reverted files.  Now the out of date
.elc files are _newer_ than the source files and thus are not out of
date in as far as the computer is concerned.

Sincerely,

Luc.

  reply	other threads:[~2004-11-07  1:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-11-06 11:25 Current CVS doesn't bootstrap Eli Zaretskii
2004-11-06 14:16 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-06 14:40 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-06 16:16   ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-11-06 22:48     ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-11-07  0:35       ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-07  1:25         ` Luc Teirlinck [this message]
2004-11-07  1:45           ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-07  2:42             ` Satyaki Das
2004-11-07  3:15               ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-11-07  1:33         ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-11-07  2:07           ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-07 18:04         ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-07 18:55           ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-11-07 22:10             ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-11-08 16:58               ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-07 23:26             ` Kim F. Storm
2004-11-07 23:45               ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-11-08  7:27                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-11-09  0:50                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-11-07  5:07       ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-11-07 17:43         ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-11-07 18:25           ` Han Boetes
2004-11-07 19:05             ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-11-07 18:38           ` David Kastrup
2004-11-07 19:33             ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-11-07 19:42               ` David Kastrup
2004-11-07 20:21                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-11-08  0:15                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-11-07 20:34               ` Piet van Oostrum
2004-11-07 20:37               ` Piet van Oostrum
2004-11-07 21:09                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-11-07 21:20                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-11-07 22:28           ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-11-07 23:05             ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-11-08  1:32             ` Lennart Borgman
2004-11-08  8:22               ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-11-14 21:20                 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-11-08  2:03             ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-11-08  2:31               ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-11-08  7:20               ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-11-08 17:16             ` Drew Adams
2004-11-08 19:07               ` Stefan Monnier
2004-11-07 18:07         ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-11-07 18:47         ` Luc Teirlinck
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-02-14 11:12 Andreas Schwab
2005-02-14 12:51 ` Lute Kamstra
2005-02-14 13:36 ` Reiner Steib
2005-02-15 17:27   ` Richard Stallman
2005-02-15 20:56     ` Reiner Steib
2005-02-17 10:35       ` Richard Stallman
2005-02-15 17:27 ` Richard Stallman
2005-02-15 19:12   ` Lute Kamstra

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