From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ! in Dired--what was the outcome? Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 21:43:45 -0500 (CDT) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200410040243.i942hjs11102@raven.dms.auburn.edu> References: <200409220205.i8M25YO10544@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1096857894 13811 80.91.229.6 (4 Oct 2004 02:44:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 02:44:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 04 04:44:45 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CEIqD-0001EL-00 for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 04:44:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CEIwm-0004u6-Ru for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 22:51:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CEIwY-0004po-3I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 22:51:18 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CEIwX-0004pU-GV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 22:51:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CEIwX-0004pK-CB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 22:51:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [131.204.53.104] (helo=manatee.dms.auburn.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CEIpv-0000aC-95; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 22:44:27 -0400 Original-Received: from raven.dms.auburn.edu (raven.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.29]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i942iQiU002370; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 21:44:26 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by raven.dms.auburn.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id i942hjs11102; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 21:43:45 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from Richard Stallman on Sat, 02 Oct 2004 21:19:08 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:27866 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:27866 Richard Stallman wrote: Actually, the problem concerned mainly `?'. So if we decide to stick with this solution (assuming somebody would be willing to implement it and solve all other problems that need to be solved first to make it work), it would actually be `?' that should be bound as described above. `*' could either be left alone or bound similarly with a display property of "" or whatever. Would you like to try implementing this? I am already doing too many things at the same time. Apart from the problems Juri pointed out, there also is the problem that it makes using wildcards with M-! more cumbersome. Note that the problem we are trying to fix with the above is not encountered very often and there are trivial _other_ ways to fix it, with a very minor change to a regexp. It is not even clear that these trivial ways are really inferior. Note however that if somebody else is willing to implement the above more involved solution, while taking care of Juri's objections, then I by no means object to that. Sincerely, Luc.