From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Roland Winkler" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: more on starttls, gnutls-cli and using tls for mail Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:21:45 -0500 Message-ID: <20041.14729.766467.816107@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <20039.8838.116211.694328@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <8762m0n5qi.fsf@red-bean.com> <87ty9kpl2q.fsf@niu.edu> <87bovsj72q.fsf@red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1313426627 28675 80.91.229.12 (15 Aug 2011 16:43:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:43:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Karl Fogel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 15 18:43:43 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qt0GM-0008Hp-Px for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:43:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41400 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qt0GM-0003XR-7l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:43:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:56080) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QsyzP-0006D6-6e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 11:22:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QsyzO-0003Fj-96 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 11:22:07 -0400 Original-Received: from tfkpsv.physik.uni-erlangen.de ([131.188.164.197]:11288) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QsyzO-0003AU-3S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 11:22:06 -0400 Original-Received: from regnitz (ep019.ep.nctu.edu.tw [140.113.28.19]) by tfkpsv.physik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED7DC23C6D; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:21:52 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <87bovsj72q.fsf@red-bean.com> X-Mailer: VM 8.2 trial under 24.0.50.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-Received-From: 131.188.164.197 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:43:40 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:143251 Archived-At: On Sun Aug 14 2011 Karl Fogel wrote: > Offering encryption is great, but it's also very complex and > error-prone (as the bug reports show). There will always be a > plaintext case, since users cannot be required to have GPG-like > software installed. In the plaintext case, we could behave better > than we do. I see, yes, your perspective is yet different but equally valid! > But it sounds like we probably agree on this too, and I should > just make the change :-). What kind of solution you have in mind? Just changing the file mode bits? Could it also help to use ~/.emacs.d? Roland