From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Werner LEMBERG Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-h and TUTORIAL Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:13:01 +0200 (CEST) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <20040728.011301.41638740.wl@gnu.org> References: <20040726.064811.41627346.wl@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1090972126 6845 80.91.224.253 (27 Jul 2004 23:48:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:48:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 28 01:48:38 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BpbgU-0002Zh-00 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:48:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Bpbja-0001gA-4K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:51:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1BpbjA-0001X2-Jc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:51:24 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Bpbj8-0001W7-OB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:51:23 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Bpbj8-0001Vq-C7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:51:22 -0400 Original-Received: from [212.227.126.186] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bpbfk-0004q1-Ig; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:47:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [212.227.126.155] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bpbfk-0001QR-00; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:47:52 +0200 Original-Received: from [218.174.54.152] (helo=orion.univie.ac.at) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (TLSv1:EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Bpbfi-0004Yy-00; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:47:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.univie.ac.at (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id i6RND1O08272; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:13:01 +0200 Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Mew version 4.0.65 on Emacs 21.3.50.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:2dc398bc694a1e60948148ba0a42c0da X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:26034 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:26034 From: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: C-h and TUTORIAL Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:18:12 -0400 > I suggest to add a new key binding, `C-h T', which should be > equal to `C-u C-h t'. In case a new user hasn't set up a proper > language environment, it is hard to find a language-specific > version of the TUTORIAL file. > > Is C-h T really that much easier than C-u C-h t? > I don't see the great improvement. The very problem is that a new user doesn't know about the `C-u' prefix argument to the `F1' key. You have to look up the documentation of `help-with-tutorial' to find out that a prefix argument exists, and this is non-intuitive IMHO. And once you've typed `C-h ?' or `F1 ?' to find out about the help details, it is too late to pass a prefix argument too (additionally, it isn't mentioned in the help screen). Werner