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From: Juanma Barranquero <lektu@mi.madritel.es>
Cc: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>, rms@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Bug tracking
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 00:09:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040613000234.B07C.LEKTU@mi.madritel.es> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87zn78wzv6.fsf@mail.jurta.org>

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 18:38:29 +0300, Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org> wrote:

> Even without special mode a plain text file is the most convenient
> way to edit data and to perform arbitrary Emacs operations on them.

No, a plain text file is not necessarily "the most convenient way to
edit data", not by a long shot. Certain kinds of data, yes.  And yes, it
is easi to perform arbitrary Emacs operations on it, but we don't want
to perform arbitrary operations, but a few, very specific, widely used
kinds of operations: the ones usually associated with bug/issue
management.  Your claim is so broad that it seems like you were saying
that Emacs is "the most convenient way" to do anything.

> I think there is nothing wrong with the fact that only Emacs
> developers will be able to fill bug reports.  So no web interface
> is really needed.

Obviously, we *strongly* disagree here.  I see much wrong with only
Emacs developers being able to fill bug reports (for one, that means
someone *has* to do the work which could have made the user).  So the
web interface is, to me, really needed.

> That's exactly how it might work: developers read gnu-emacs-bugs,
> create new bug entries in the text file and commit them to CVS.
> And you can track changes in the text file with all the usual
> features of CVS.

Yes, I understand how could it work, I just happen to think that is a
extraordinarily un-optimized way to do things.  See etc/TODO: would you
dare say that it is really used for the intended purpose?  Many things
in TODO have been there for years, and almost *all* things implemented
or fixed never ever touched TODO.

> Apart from the Ee categorizing manager, I think that some other
> Emacs packages can perform these operations on text files.
> AFAIK, at least Gnus should be able to read a text file in the
> mail-like format and to treat it as a mail group with bug and TODO
> entries as messages.  There are even many possibilities of tighter
> integration with its email functionality.

Aren't you saying that we can shoehorn something into simulating being an
issue tracker, just to *not* use an issue tracker which already does all
that?


                                                           /L/e/k/t/u

  reply	other threads:[~2004-06-12 22:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 176+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-07  5:32 new *Help* argument highlighting Miles Bader
2004-05-07  8:39 ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-08 22:22   ` Juri Linkov
2004-05-08 23:32     ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-08 23:47       ` Juri Linkov
2004-05-09  0:14         ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-08 23:49       ` Miles Bader
2004-05-09  0:09         ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-09 18:47     ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-09 22:25       ` Miles Bader
2004-05-09 22:54         ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-09 23:10           ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-09 23:48             ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10  0:00               ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-10  0:11                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10  0:25                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-10  0:53                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10  1:32                       ` Miles Bader
2004-05-10  7:24                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10  2:42                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-10  7:37                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10 12:45                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-05-10 13:01                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10 16:18                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-10 19:06                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-10 21:54                         ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-11 15:57                           ` Juri Linkov
2004-05-11 20:58                             ` Miles Bader
2004-05-11 21:51                               ` Juri Linkov
2004-05-11 22:58                                 ` Miles Bader
2004-05-11 22:08                             ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-11  0:07                         ` Juri Linkov
2004-05-11  2:30                           ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-11 15:28                             ` Juri Linkov
2004-05-11 17:44                               ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-10 17:54         ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-10 21:10           ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10 21:28             ` David Kastrup
2004-05-10 21:41               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10 21:59                 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-10 22:12                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10 21:47               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10 21:57                 ` David Kastrup
2004-05-10 22:10                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10 22:26                     ` Miles Bader
2004-05-11  8:11                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-12  7:51                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-12  8:15                           ` Miles Bader
2004-05-12  8:58                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-12  9:25                               ` Miles Bader
2004-05-12  9:32                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-13 15:45                                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-13 17:33                                     ` David Kastrup
2004-05-13 15:45                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-11 10:53                                 ` Bug tracking (was: new *Help* argument highlighting) Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-11 11:20                                   ` Bug tracking Lars Hansen
2004-06-11 11:33                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-11 11:39                                   ` Bug tracking (was: new *Help* argument highlighting) Kim F. Storm
2004-06-11 12:40                                     ` Bug tracking Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-11 14:21                                     ` Bug tracking (was: new *Help* argument highlighting) Miles Bader
2004-06-11 15:11                                       ` Kim F. Storm
2004-06-11 22:29                                         ` Miles Bader
2004-06-12  9:45                                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-12  1:50                                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-12  2:12                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-12  8:15                                       ` Lars Hansen
2004-06-13  0:01                                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-13  0:20                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-12  8:37                                     ` Bug tracking Juri Linkov
2004-06-12  9:38                                       ` Lars Hansen
2004-06-12 15:28                                         ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-14 13:52                                           ` Kim F. Storm
2004-06-14 15:09                                             ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-14 15:38                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-14 16:32                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-13  0:01                                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-13  0:05                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-13 11:55                                           ` Kai Grossjohann
2004-06-13 14:34                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-13 16:04                                               ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-14 18:50                                             ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-14 21:41                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-14 23:09                                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-06-14 23:33                                                   ` Miles Bader
2004-06-15  8:11                                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-06-16 16:57                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-13 22:26                                           ` Kim F. Storm
2004-06-13 23:52                                             ` Miles Bader
2004-06-12 12:47                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-12 15:38                                         ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-12 22:09                                           ` Juanma Barranquero [this message]
2004-06-12 23:06                                             ` Miles Bader
2004-06-13  0:08                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-13  0:50                                                 ` Miles Bader
2004-06-13  1:07                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-13 16:00                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-13 22:52                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-13 23:56                                                         ` Miles Bader
2004-06-14  7:20                                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-14  7:31                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-14 16:40                                                             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-06-14 21:36                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-15  1:36                                                                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-06-15 13:58                                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-13 21:49                                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-13 23:03                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-13  0:01                                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-12 18:26                                   ` Bug tracking (was: new *Help* argument highlighting) Karl Fogel
2004-06-12 20:03                                     ` Karl Fogel
2004-06-13  2:39                                       ` Miles Bader
2004-06-12 21:01                                         ` Karl Fogel
2004-06-13  3:34                                           ` Miles Bader
2004-06-12 21:52                                             ` Karl Fogel
2004-06-13 11:31                                             ` Bug tracking Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-13 13:28                                               ` Miles Bader
2004-06-13 14:38                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-13 12:19                                             ` Bug tracking (was: new *Help* argument highlighting) Jason Rumney
2004-06-13  9:06                                         ` David Kastrup
2004-06-13 14:26                                         ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-06-13 14:36                                           ` Karl Fogel
2004-06-13 23:29                                             ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-06-13 14:29                                         ` Bug tracking Oliver Scholz
2004-06-14 18:50                                           ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-14 21:17                                             ` Tak Ota
2004-06-16 16:57                                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-16 17:59                                                 ` Tak Ota
2004-06-14 18:50                                     ` Bug tracking (was: new *Help* argument highlighting) Richard Stallman
2004-06-14 20:19                                       ` Karl Fogel
2004-06-16 16:58                                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-12 10:47                             ` new *Help* argument highlighting Kenichi Handa
2004-05-12 11:10                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-12 11:25                                 ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-12 11:47                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-12 13:01                                     ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-12 13:15                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-12 14:06                                         ` Miles Bader
2004-05-12 13:09                                           ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-12 22:18                                             ` Miles Bader
2004-05-17  1:14                                               ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-17  2:30                                                 ` Miles Bader
2004-05-18 12:54                                                   ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-17 14:46                                               ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-17 22:23                                                 ` Miles Bader
2004-05-12 23:28                                           ` fill docstring (Re: new *Help* argument highlighting) Kenichi Handa
2004-05-17  1:16                                         ` new *Help* argument highlighting Kenichi Handa
2004-05-17  7:02                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-17  7:16                                             ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-12 12:53                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-12 13:22                                     ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-12 13:43                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-11  9:02                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10 23:42                 ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-11  8:14                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-11 12:23             ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-11 13:56               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-11 14:36                 ` David Kastrup
2004-05-11 14:53                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-12 19:40                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-12 20:12                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-13  1:18                     ` Miles Bader
2004-05-13  1:30                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-13  1:41                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-13  7:04                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-13 14:21                           ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-13 21:25                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-13  1:25                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-14  9:20                     ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-11 16:51             ` Kevin Rodgers
2004-05-11 18:30               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-12  0:04               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-12 18:29                 ` Romain Francoise
2004-05-13  1:31                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-13  6:55                     ` Romain Francoise
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-06-18 15:13 bug tracking Werner LEMBERG
2004-06-21  7:32 ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-21 13:02   ` Werner LEMBERG

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