From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: new *Help* argument highlighting Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 03:30:13 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <20040513032524.1886.LEKTU@mi.madritel.es> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1084412198 12020 80.91.224.253 (13 May 2004 01:36:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 01:36:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu May 13 03:36:32 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BO59E-00034P-00 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:36:32 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BO59E-0005a5-00 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:36:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BO56I-0000dF-QA for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 21:33:30 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.34) id 1BO547-00089C-4u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 21:31:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.34) id 1BO53C-0007MX-CV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 21:30:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [62.81.186.18] (helo=smtp08.retemail.es) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BO53B-0007LB-QF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 May 2004 21:30:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([213.37.34.61]) by smtp08.retemail.es (InterMail vM.5.01.05.32 201-253-122-126-132-20030307) with ESMTP id <20040513013016.GISU24194.smtp08.retemail.es@[127.0.0.1]>; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:30:16 +0200 Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.09.01 [en] X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:23293 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:23293 On 12 May 2004 16:12:32 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > Honestly, I can't believe we're spending so much energy on printing args in > a slightly nicer way: Me neither :) > - making sure the new highlighting pleases most people [done]. > - making sure the new highlighting is OK in 99& of the environments Yes. > [already done: including when the user changed the face to not be italics, > or when running on a tty.] > [left to do: detect X11 systems where the font chosen has no italics > version.] It should work now, at least if display-supports-face-attributes-p is reliable. > If someone comes up with an actual use for those changes (rather than just > minor aesthetics tweaks), maybe I can buy them, but as it stands I find it > just a waste of effort. > Especially since experience on gnu.emacs.help seems to indicate that most > users don't spend that much time and effort reading docstrings. Well, I see it different because I spend a lot of time reading docstrings, so I don't think it's a waste of effort making them better, even in aesthetic ways. But certainly now is not the time to discuss it. If we decide that more information (structure, highlighting, or whatever) is necessary or helpful in docstrings, we can design the new features on the 22.X timeframe. /L/e/k/t/u