From: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Cc: Lars Brinkhoff <lars@nocrew.org>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org, "Kim F. Storm" <storm@cua.dk>,
Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Default Emacs keybindings
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 05:55:25 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040503095525.GA22387@fencepost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3smeiufs0.fsf@kfs-l.imdomain.dk>
On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 09:32:47AM +0200, Kim F. Storm wrote:
> Why insist on teaching (in the tutorial) new emacs users (which I bet
> don't have a HH keyboard) to use bindings which you just admitted are
> NOT convenient to use with today's standard keyboard layout.
It's not a boolean.
emacs-bindings + proper-keyboard > emacs-bindings > standard-bindings
> If those bindings are only superior in a special setup, why waste time
> teaching/learning them? That time would be better spent on teaching some
> of the _useful_ features of emacs.
In the case of the particular bindings under discussion -- arrow keys
vs. C-f &c., the emacs keys are better bindings even with a suboptimal
control-key placement, because the arrow keys are enormous lose
efficiency-wise.
Whether they are sufficiently important to discuss first in the tutorial [*],
I have no idea, but those bindings are useful, and I think a good thing to
teach.
[*] Historically they were, because often users didn't have any arrow keys!
Obviously this is not true anymore.
-Miles
--
A zen-buddhist walked into a pizza shop and
said, "Make me one with everything."
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-05-03 9:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-04-23 21:24 Menu suggestion David Kastrup
2004-04-24 13:29 ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-04-24 23:02 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-25 23:35 ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-26 8:23 ` Default Emacs keybindings (was: Re: Menu suggestion) Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-26 13:35 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-04-26 14:22 ` Default Emacs keybindings Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-26 13:44 ` Default Emacs keybindings (was: Re: Menu suggestion) Alan Mackenzie
2004-04-26 15:16 ` David Kastrup
2004-04-26 22:33 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-26 21:36 ` David Kastrup
2004-04-26 23:06 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-04-27 14:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-27 14:22 ` David Kastrup
2004-04-29 19:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-24 14:08 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-26 16:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-26 17:01 ` David Kastrup
2004-05-27 23:53 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-28 21:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-27 23:59 ` Default Emacs keybindings Stefan Daschek
2004-04-30 13:06 ` Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-30 21:41 ` Miles Bader
2004-05-01 17:50 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-01 18:20 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-05-02 19:52 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-02 21:15 ` Miles Bader
2004-05-03 6:11 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2004-05-03 5:53 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03 8:34 ` Miles Bader
2004-05-03 7:32 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03 9:55 ` Miles Bader [this message]
2004-05-03 9:36 ` Kai Grossjohann
2004-05-07 12:34 ` Jose E. Marchesi
2004-05-03 9:08 ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-05-03 7:25 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03 9:51 ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-05-03 10:33 ` Per Abrahamsen
2004-05-03 11:28 ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-03 11:54 ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-05-03 23:15 ` Masatake YAMATO
2004-05-04 0:11 ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-03 22:21 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-03 22:59 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-04 6:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-05-04 7:02 ` David Kastrup
2004-05-04 7:42 ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-05-04 13:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-04 15:37 ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-05-04 21:45 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-04 21:35 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-05 5:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-05-05 14:29 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-05 22:20 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-05-05 14:34 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-04 20:07 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-04 12:20 ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-05 20:20 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-06 12:41 ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-06 14:22 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-05-06 14:54 ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-06 15:28 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-05-08 1:20 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-08 23:20 ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-04 12:25 ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-03 22:21 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-03 7:48 ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-04-26 9:56 ` Menu suggestion Kim F. Storm
2004-04-26 8:39 ` Miles Bader
2004-04-26 11:37 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-27 8:24 ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-27 11:05 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-27 10:38 ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-04-27 14:04 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-30 13:13 ` Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-30 14:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-30 17:30 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-30 19:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-30 19:55 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03 7:18 ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-03 10:25 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-04 7:32 ` David Kastrup
2004-04-27 14:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-28 10:12 ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-28 5:09 ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-28 6:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-28 5:55 ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-28 11:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-28 12:57 ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-04-28 6:46 ` Miles Bader
2004-04-28 12:51 ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-04-29 10:44 ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-29 11:27 ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-26 10:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-26 16:36 ` jargon translation up-front in doc (was: Menu suggestion) Drew Adams
2004-04-27 6:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-29 1:48 ` Drew Adams
2004-04-29 15:44 ` Kevin Rodgers
2004-04-29 17:37 ` Drew Adams
2004-04-29 23:36 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-29 23:48 ` Drew Adams
2004-04-30 9:02 ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-25 18:08 ` Menu suggestion Richard Stallman
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-04-26 11:33 Default Emacs keybindings (was: Re: Menu suggestion) Lars Hansen
2004-04-27 8:24 ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-27 9:54 ` David Kastrup
2004-04-27 10:23 ` Default Emacs keybindings Lars Hansen
[not found] <20040503092848.7F3BFBEDE9@imf.math.ku.dk>
2004-05-03 10:32 ` Lars Hansen
2004-05-03 11:01 ` Miles Bader
2004-05-03 12:37 ` Kai Grossjohann
[not found] <20040503133902.EF5FEBEBF0@imf.math.ku.dk>
2004-05-03 14:18 ` Lars Hansen
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