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From: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, romain@orebokech.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
	monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, storm@cua.dk, miles@gnu.org
Subject: Re: It is time for a feature freeze (it is NOW or never).
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:59:50 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040419235950.GA12584@fencepost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200404192344.IAA01681@etlken.m17n.org>

On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 08:44:58AM +0900, Kenichi Handa wrote:
> > Do you have `testing' or `unstable' in your sources.list?
> 
> Ah! No.  But I'd like to avoid installing such versions by
> apt-get.  I always install testing version in
> /usr/local/... by getting source and compiling it.

I wouldn't worry too much about it -- "unstable" is actually quite reliable
generally (failures are almost always of the form "package won't upgrade",
which of course leaves you wait the old version still installed).

"testing" is even better: it's like unstable without the occasional problems
unstable has, albeit a tiny bit older.

My vague rules are:

  * For a personal machine with a fast net connection (so downloading fixes
    is fast), use "unstable" -- the frequent upgrades and quick bugfixes are
    more than worth the occasional (and usually minor) problem.

  * For a personal machine with a slow net connection, or where you don't
    want to do frequent updates, use "testing".  Weighing the (small)
    _potential_ for unstability in "testing" versus the rather old (and often
    buggy) software in "stable", testing almost always wins.

  * For a big department server, where changes can affect many people, maybe
    "stable" is justified -- but even here, you probably want to download
    both package lists, and install some packages from testing as well,
    where the stable version is simply too stupidly old.

-Miles
-- 
`Cars give people wonderful freedom and increase their opportunities.
 But they also destroy the environment, to an extent so drastic that
 they kill all social life' (from _A Pattern Language_)

  reply	other threads:[~2004-04-19 23:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 187+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-03-10 16:25 Compilation to native Matthew Mundell
2004-03-20 21:52 ` Matthew Mundell
2004-03-21 19:21   ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-22 16:54     ` Juri Linkov
2004-03-22 21:37       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-03-23 13:56         ` Juri Linkov
2004-03-24 23:50           ` Matthew Mundell
2004-03-24 23:57             ` Miles Bader
2004-03-22 23:44       ` Matthew Mundell
2004-03-23 13:57         ` Juri Linkov
2004-03-24 23:51           ` Matthew Mundell
2004-03-23 17:47       ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-07 11:57         ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-07 12:45           ` David Kastrup
2004-04-07 13:12             ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-07 23:52               ` Alex Schroeder
2004-04-08  0:28                 ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-08  2:35                 ` It is time for a feature freeze (it is NOW or never) Kim F. Storm
2004-04-08  2:03                   ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-08  3:13                     ` John Wiegley
2004-04-08  4:25                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2004-04-08  5:58                         ` John Wiegley
2004-04-08 11:26                         ` Piet van Oostrum
2004-04-08  8:46                     ` Jason Rumney
2004-04-08 15:46                       ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-08 15:44                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-08 15:06                       ` David Kastrup
2004-04-08 16:22                     ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-09  1:36                       ` Miles Bader
2004-04-09 23:43                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-09 23:58                           ` Miles Bader
2004-04-10  0:08                         ` Miles Bader
2004-04-10 18:31                           ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-10 17:53                             ` Romain Francoise
2004-04-10 22:06                               ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-11  3:08                             ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-11 11:04                               ` David Kastrup
2004-04-12  7:48                               ` Lőrentey Károly
2004-04-11  2:34                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-11  9:06                           ` Miles Bader
2004-04-12  4:24                             ` Miles Bader
2004-04-12 21:10                               ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-12 20:48                                 ` Miles Bader
2004-04-13 17:44                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-10 23:19                       ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-08  2:05                   ` Miles Bader
2004-04-08  2:34                     ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-08  3:39                       ` Miles Bader
2004-04-08 16:30                       ` Redisplay crash Stefan Monnier
2004-04-09  1:57                         ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-13 10:00                           ` Piet van Oostrum
2004-04-18 21:47                           ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-09 22:44                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-10 18:36                           ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-12  3:52                             ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-08  7:53                   ` It is time for a feature freeze (it is NOW or never) Romain Francoise
2004-04-08 16:00                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-08 15:54                       ` Romain Francoise
2004-04-09 22:44                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-10  1:37                           ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-10  1:09                             ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-12  3:51                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-14 14:57                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-20 21:30                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-01 20:16                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-01 23:21                                       ` Miles Bader
2004-05-01 21:49                                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-02  7:30                                         ` David Kastrup
2004-05-02 16:06                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-02 18:12                                           ` Nick Roberts
2004-05-02 18:43                                             ` David Kastrup
2004-05-02 20:14                                               ` Nick Roberts
2004-05-03 10:29                                                 ` Jason Rumney
2004-05-03 14:03                                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-03 19:06                                                 ` Jan D.
2004-05-08  1:21                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-08 11:14                                                     ` Jan D.
2004-05-08 11:35                                                       ` David Kastrup
2004-05-09 10:38                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-12 10:00                                                         ` B&W icons (was It is time for a feature freeze (it is NOW or never).) Jan D.
2004-05-02 19:16                                             ` It is time for a feature freeze (it is NOW or never) Stefan Monnier
2004-05-02 22:26                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-03  5:44                                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03  9:13                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-03  8:52                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03 13:21                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-03 22:20                                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-13 17:14                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-13 21:50                                             ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-13 22:48                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-14 12:18                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2004-05-14 12:49                                               ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-03 21:00                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-04  7:14                                       ` David Kastrup
2004-05-04  8:09                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-04  8:17                                           ` David Kastrup
2004-05-04  6:34                                             ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-04  8:52                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-04 13:45                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-04 13:58                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-04  8:26                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-04 13:44                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-04 14:26                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-04 14:37                                           ` David Kastrup
2004-05-04 20:07                                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-04 22:21                                         ` David Kastrup
2004-05-04 21:18                                           ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-04 23:49                                             ` David Kastrup
2004-05-05  0:23                                               ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-05  9:24                                                 ` David Kastrup
2004-05-04 22:24                                           ` Miles Bader
2004-05-05  1:04                                           ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-04-12  3:50                             ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-12  4:15                               ` Miles Bader
2004-04-13 17:44                                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-16 13:15                                 ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-16 14:38                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-17  1:41                                     ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-17 17:10                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-19  4:40                                         ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-19 13:54                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-19 23:44                                             ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-19 23:59                                               ` Miles Bader [this message]
2004-04-20  0:38                                                 ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-12  4:33                               ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-12 21:20                               ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-13  1:30                                 ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-13 10:37                                   ` Kim F. Storm
     [not found]                       ` <lorentey.g.e.devel.87brlx1wku.elte@eris.elte.hu>
2004-04-14 10:59                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-14 22:53                           ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-15  1:19                             ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-15 19:42                               ` Lőrentey Károly
2004-04-16 18:08                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-16 18:49                                 ` David Kastrup
2004-04-16 20:19                                   ` Display-local settings (was: It is time for a feature freeze) Stefan Monnier
2004-04-16 20:38                                     ` David Kastrup
2004-04-16 21:09                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-19 15:10                                       ` Display-local settings Lőrentey Károly
2004-04-19 17:49                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-20  4:48                                           ` Lőrentey Károly
2004-04-17 19:46                                   ` It is time for a feature freeze (it is NOW or never) Richard Stallman
2004-04-19 15:49                                   ` Display-local variables (Re: It is time for a feature freeze) Lőrentey Károly
2004-04-19 22:09                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-20  4:27                                       ` Lőrentey Károly
2004-04-20 10:18                                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-15 18:18                           ` It is time for a feature freeze (it is NOW or never) Lőrentey Károly
2004-04-08  1:08               ` Compilation to native Richard Stallman
2004-04-08  1:31                 ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-09 22:43                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-08  1:08           ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-13 23:12           ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-13 23:40             ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-14  1:17               ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-14  1:54                 ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-15 11:11                 ` Pure strings (Re: Compilation to native) Juri Linkov
2004-04-18 21:47                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-19  6:36                     ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-19 14:20                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-19 23:39                         ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-19 18:20                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-20  1:00                         ` Kenichi Handa
2004-03-22 23:42     ` Compilation to native Matthew Mundell
2004-03-23 17:48       ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-23 22:43         ` David Kastrup
2004-03-24 23:52         ` Matthew Mundell
2004-03-30 22:18         ` Matthew Mundell
2004-03-30 22:30           ` David Kastrup
2004-03-31 18:58             ` Matthew Mundell
2004-03-30 23:31           ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-01  4:42             ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-01  4:42           ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-02 16:38             ` Matthew Mundell
2004-04-12 20:20           ` Matthew Mundell
2004-04-12 20:57             ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-13 16:56               ` Matthew Mundell
2004-04-13 17:32                 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-13 19:03                   ` Matthew Mundell
2004-04-13 21:00                     ` Miles Bader
2004-04-13 21:50                       ` Miles Bader
2004-04-14 22:49                       ` Matthew Mundell
2004-04-16 14:22                       ` Matthew Mundell
2004-04-13 20:51                   ` Miles Bader
2004-04-16 14:21                     ` Matthew Mundell
2004-04-16 14:44                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-16 15:06                         ` Matthew Mundell
2004-04-16 14:20                 ` Matthew Mundell
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-05-14  7:03 It is time for a feature freeze (it is NOW or never) David PONCE

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