From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Documentation for "Clone Buffers" (corrected version) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 12:37:33 -0600 (CST) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200403141837.i2EIbXZ03133@raven.dms.auburn.edu> References: <200403121634.i2CGYrZ04201@f7.net> <200403140232.i2E2WUT01565@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200403141817.i2EIH5M03101@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <9791-Sun14Mar2004202409+0200-eliz@elta.co.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1079289679 10084 80.91.224.253 (14 Mar 2004 18:41:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 18:41:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, karl@freefriends.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 14 19:41:13 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1B2aXx-0004v6-00 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:41:13 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1B2aXw-0005On-00 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:41:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B2aWd-0006Pg-59 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:39:51 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1B2aWX-0006OV-Dn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:39:45 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1B2aVw-0006EY-M7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:39:39 -0500 Original-Received: from [131.204.53.104] (helo=manatee.dms.auburn.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B2aVw-0006ER-Bh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:39:08 -0500 Original-Received: from raven.dms.auburn.edu (raven.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.29]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2EId1Kt021849; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 12:39:01 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by raven.dms.auburn.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id i2EIbXZ03133; Sun, 14 Mar 2004 12:37:33 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: eliz@elta.co.il In-reply-to: <9791-Sun14Mar2004202409+0200-eliz@elta.co.il> X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:20466 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:20466 Eli Zaretskii wrote: I went to the Emacs manual, typed "i clone RET", and was presented with the node "Indirect Buffers" that describes that. That is very misleading. `M-x clone-indirect-buffer' produces an indirect buffer which is very different from a cloned buffer produced by `clone-buffer'. (An indirect buffer always shares the text of its base buffer and killing the base buffer kills the indirect buffer. A cloned buffer created by `clone-buffer', which is what M-n produces, starts out with the same text, mode, local variables and so on, as the original buffer, but after that it becomes a completely independent buffer like any other buffer.) So it is probably good that my revised patch no longer talks about "cloned" buffers, since that term is ambiguous. There definitely should _not_ be a reference to that section of the Emacs manual. Sincerely, Luc.