From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Showing end of buffer Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:25:12 -0500 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <20040122212512.GA31448@fencepost> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1074806941 1095 80.91.224.253 (22 Jan 2004 21:29:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:29:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 22 22:28:53 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AjmNh-0006Qp-00 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:28:53 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AjmNh-0003GS-00 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:28:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AjmNX-00031u-C9 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:28:43 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AjmNE-0002kO-8p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:28:24 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AjmMX-0001PG-9i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:28:06 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AjmMK-0001CI-TS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:27:28 -0500 Original-Received: from miles by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.24) id 1AjmK8-0008Hs-W9; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:25:12 -0500 Original-To: Sam Steingold Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Blat: Foop X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:19433 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:19433 On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 01:11:30PM -0500, Sam Steingold wrote: > I know it is too late - the feature has already been implemented, > but how is this better than the scrollbar? > This whole thing - arrows, EOB/BOB angles - just duplicates the exact > same information in the scrollbar (without the benefit of clickability). (1) It doesn't take up the space the scrollbar does (the fringe is already there). (2) It's visually much lighter weight that a scrollbar. The reason I don't like using a scrollbar is because it demands too much attention; these little icons on the other hand seem just about right. Also perhaps: (3) It lets you avoid the scrollbar when your particular environment happens to have reallly ugly scrollbars (not uncommon!). -miles -- o The existentialist, not having a pillow, goes everywhere with the book by Sullivan, _I am going to spit on your graves_.