From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ulrich@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Ulrich Neumerkel) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: German keyboard key bindings? Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:09:46 GMT Organization: Technische Universität Wien, Institut für Computersprachen Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <2003Dec17.150946@a0.complang.tuwien.ac.at> References: <2003Dec16.212444@a0.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <871xr4e2et.fsf@emptyhost.emptydomain.de> Reply-To: ulrich@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1071671734 16901 80.91.224.253 (17 Dec 2003 14:35:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 17 15:35:30 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AWclu-0002yL-00 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:35:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AWdgk-0003FC-68 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:34:14 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news-fra1.dfn.de!newscore.univie.ac.at!aconews-feed.univie.ac.at!aconews.univie.ac.at!not-for-mail X-Newsreader: xrn 9.03-beta-14 Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 26 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: a0.complang.tuwien.ac.at Original-X-Trace: 1071671045 tunews.univie.ac.at 18702 128.130.173.25 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@tuwien.ac.at Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:119428 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:15367 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:15367 Kai Grossjohann writes: >ulrich@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Ulrich Neumerkel) writes: > >> On German keyboards many important Emacs commands are not easily >> accessible. > >But that's only until you configure your computer to have a US >layout. With Emacs' input methods I'm able to type " a to get ä, and >I've never looked back. Yes, I do this personally on my own machine. But on places where You have no influence on the configuration this is an impossibility. Also many persons are simply used to the German keyboard layout and will not change for the sake of Emacs. What is needed is some way to refer portably in plain ascii to any character in any other encoding. I.e. something similar to kbd but including character encoding. When I nowadays M-x describe-bindings I see so many different encodings. There should be also a way to refer to these keys in a portable fashion. -- Ulrich Neumerkel http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/ulrich/