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From: Luc Teirlinck <teirllm@dms.auburn.edu>
Cc: juri@jurta.org, epameinondas@gmx.de,
	nferrier@tapsellferrier.co.uk, bob@rattlesnake.com,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, karl@freefriends.org
Subject: Re: Changes to Texinfo DTD
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:53:15 -0600 (CST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200312040253.hB42rFS25853@raven.dms.auburn.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2914-Wed03Dec2003181809+0200-eliz@elta.co.il>

   That just means my wording should perhaps be improved further, or
   maybe we should use @ifinfo and @ifnotinfo to make the text loog good
   in both online and hard-copy version.

It would be silly (and impossible) to try to manually rewrite all
references to other manuals in all currently existing .texi files this
way, when the xrefs contain enough information for an Info reader
(actually "makeinfo --xml" reader) to rewrite these sentences
_automatically_ the way you want them rewritten, without requiring any
changes in .texi files and, hence, without any danger of messing up
any other formats.  That was exactly what I proposed in the message
you reacted too.

If you want to do that though, you can not use the Info format.  In
fact, you can not use the Info format to correctly implement a value
of t for Info-hide-note-references.  I do not believe that the main
intent of the Info format ever was to "look cool".  If I understand
correctly, the main intent was that even Info readers with minimal
capabilities should be able to handle it.  That is not very compatible
with making things look "cool", "modern", "beautiful" or whatever you
want to call it.  For me Emacs info does not need to look "cool", it
needs to be easy and efficient to use, but for other people it is
extremely important that it looks as "cool" as possible.  OK with me,
but then it needs to use another format.

If we use XML, we can not only make these and other xrefs come out the
way you want them too, we can do so while filling correctly,
respecting all @*, @w, @verb and the like.  In addition to everything
else people wanted to use XML for in this thread.

Sincerely,

Luc.

  reply	other threads:[~2003-12-04  2:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 143+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-10-28  1:26 terminal escapes in Info files? Karl Berry
2003-10-28 10:51 ` Alper Ersoy
2003-10-28 13:48   ` Oliver Scholz
2003-10-30 10:42     ` Alper Ersoy
2003-11-10 13:01       ` HTML as info format (was: terminal escapes in Info files?) Oliver Scholz
2003-11-17 13:29         ` HTML as info format Juri Linkov
2003-11-18  7:01           ` Richard Stallman
2003-11-18 14:54             ` Changes to Texinfo DTD [Was: Re: HTML as info format] Robert J. Chassell
2003-11-18 15:59               ` Changes to Texinfo DTD Oliver Scholz
2003-11-18 21:03                 ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-11-18 21:18                   ` Nic Ferrier
2003-11-19 12:38                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-11-19 13:18                       ` Nic Ferrier
2003-11-20 10:37                   ` Oliver Scholz
2003-11-20 16:55                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-11-20 18:19                       ` Oliver Scholz
2003-11-20 20:32                         ` Nic Ferrier
2003-11-20 22:05                           ` Oliver Scholz
2003-11-20 22:51                             ` Nic Ferrier
2003-11-21  2:13                             ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-11-21  8:49                               ` Nic Ferrier
2003-11-21  2:10                           ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-11-21  7:57                             ` Nic Ferrier
2003-11-24  7:57                               ` Juri Linkov
2003-11-24  9:32                                 ` Nic Ferrier
2003-11-22 21:19                           ` Richard Stallman
2003-11-22 21:41                             ` Nic Ferrier
2003-11-22 21:42                               ` Miles Bader
2003-11-22 21:56                                 ` Nic Ferrier
2003-11-24  7:55                                   ` Juri Linkov
2003-11-24  9:25                                     ` Why XSLT in Emacs Lisp? (was Re: Changes to Texinfo DTD) Nic Ferrier
2003-11-24 13:04                                       ` Why XSLT in Emacs Lisp? Alex Schroeder
2003-11-23 17:14                                 ` Changes to Texinfo DTD Robert J. Chassell
2003-11-24  7:54                                 ` Juri Linkov
2003-11-24 16:19                                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-11-24 22:32                                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-11-24 22:31                                       ` Miles Bader
2003-11-25  5:22                                     ` Juri Linkov
2003-11-25 16:48                                       ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-11-25 21:59                                         ` Juri Linkov
2003-11-25 23:32                                           ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-11-25 19:54                                       ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-11-25 21:48                                         ` Juri Linkov
2003-11-26  1:08                                           ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-12-02  6:42                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-03  1:47                                       ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-12-03 16:18                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-04  2:53                                           ` Luc Teirlinck [this message]
2003-12-04  7:58                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-04  2:54                                           ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-12-04  8:04                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-04  9:39                                               ` Oliver Scholz
2003-12-04 11:48                                                 ` Oliver Scholz
2003-12-04 15:35                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-04  8:19                                             ` Oliver Scholz
2003-12-04 13:49                                             ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-12-05  0:11                                             ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-05  9:49                                               ` Kim F. Storm
2003-12-06 16:11                                                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2003-12-06 17:11                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-09 16:47                                                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2003-12-10  7:25                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-04  3:35                                           ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-12-04  8:12                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-11-22 23:59                               ` Stefan Monnier
2003-11-23  0:05                                 ` Nic Ferrier
2003-11-23 14:16                                   ` Oliver Scholz
2003-11-23 15:11                                     ` Nic Ferrier
2003-11-24 16:22                               ` Richard Stallman
2003-11-20 18:24                       ` Karl Eichwalder
2003-11-24 16:23                     ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-02  7:08           ` HTML as info format Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-01 10:38             ` Info enhancements Juri Linkov
2003-12-02  3:34               ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-12-02 10:54                 ` Juri Linkov
2003-12-02  4:43               ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-12-02 10:18               ` Info enhancements (was: Re: HTML as info format) Juri Linkov
2003-12-02 17:27                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-02 19:26                   ` Karl Berry
2003-12-03  5:38                     ` Info enhancements Juri Linkov
2003-12-03 13:27                       ` Karl Berry
2003-12-03 15:46                         ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-12-20  5:34                         ` Juri Linkov
2003-12-20 14:57                           ` Karl Berry
2003-12-03 17:16                     ` Info enhancements (was: Re: HTML as info format) Richard Stallman
2003-12-02 21:22               ` Info enhancements Reiner Steib
2003-12-03  3:54                 ` `s' (regex) search [was Re: Info enhancements] Harry Putnam
2003-12-03  5:47                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-03  9:42                     ` Harry Putnam
2003-12-03 11:31                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-03 11:56                         ` Harry Putnam
2003-12-03 16:27                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-03 19:13                             ` Harry Putnam
2003-12-04  8:34                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-03  5:04                 ` Info enhancements Juri Linkov
2004-09-01 16:42                   ` Reiner Steib
2004-09-01 20:55                     ` Juri Linkov
2004-09-02 19:02                       ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-03  0:33               ` Kim F. Storm
2003-12-03  6:43                 ` Juri Linkov
2003-12-12  2:08               ` Juri Linkov
2003-12-12 14:24                 ` Karl Berry
2003-12-12 17:14                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-12 19:23                     ` Stefan Monnier
2003-12-13 10:12                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-13 23:15                         ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-12 21:38                   ` Juri Linkov
2003-12-13 15:17                     ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-16  2:14                       ` Juri Linkov
2003-12-17  3:28                         ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-18  3:03                           ` Juri Linkov
2003-12-18 16:59                             ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-19 14:03                             ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-12-20  5:27                               ` Juri Linkov
2003-12-13 15:48                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-15  2:35                 ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-15  6:01                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-15 20:06                     ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-16  3:00                     ` Juri Linkov
2003-12-16 12:12                       ` Kim F. Storm
2003-12-17  3:28                         ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-17  3:28                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-07-01 21:07               ` non-blocking socket io: data limit on read? Nic Ferrier
2003-10-28 16:19   ` terminal escapes in Info files? Stefan Monnier
2003-10-29 19:02     ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-29 19:47       ` David Kastrup
2003-10-29 21:43         ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-10-29 22:39           ` David Kastrup
2003-10-30  6:03             ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-10-30 18:00         ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-29 19:01   ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-29 19:45     ` Alper Ersoy
2003-10-29 19:42       ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-10-30 18:00       ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-29 19:02 ` Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-12-04 16:06 Changes to Texinfo DTD Karl Berry
2003-12-13 11:13 ` Alper Ersoy
2003-12-04 16:44 Karl Berry
2003-12-04 16:44 Karl Berry
2003-12-04 17:38 Karl Berry
2003-12-05 17:31 Karl Berry
2003-12-05 23:08 ` Kim F. Storm
2003-12-06  0:15 Karl Berry

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