From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: doc elisp intro cross reference fixes Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:48:00 -0600 (CST) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200311192348.hAJNm0106860@raven.dms.auburn.edu> References: <87wua28zux.fsf@zip.com.au> <87ad6vdsxi.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <200311190418.hAJ4ITC02466@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200311190528.hAJ5SrK02553@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <3FBBD155.2050703@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1069286590 24659 80.91.224.253 (20 Nov 2003 00:03:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:03:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ihs_4664@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 20 01:03:07 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AMcHr-0007Rm-00 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:03:07 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AMcHq-0003QN-00 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 01:03:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AMd7X-0005PE-O7 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:56:31 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AMd6v-0005Ov-BV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:55:53 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AMd6L-0005Bv-1X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:55:48 -0500 Original-Received: from [131.204.53.104] (helo=manatee.dms.auburn.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AMd6J-0005BO-MG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:55:15 -0500 Original-Received: from raven.dms.auburn.edu (raven.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.29]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hAJNrqKk029235; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:53:52 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by raven.dms.auburn.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id hAJNm0106860; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:48:00 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Monnier on 19 Nov 2003 16:15:55 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:17935 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:17935 Stefan Monnier wrote: Why should they be independent mechanisms ? What is the benefit ? Why should something be only allowed via M-x customize-variable but not via M-x set-variable (and vice-versa, BTW) ? As a programmer, the distinction seems very faint and I have a hard time coming up with cases where it could make sense to prevent one use and allow the other. As a user it just makes for inconsistency where some variables can be set via M-x set-variable while others need M-x customize-variable. But there is an "inconsistency" regardless of the `*' or no `*' stuff. There are plenty of variables with :set functions for which M-x customize-variable is going to have an effect and M-x set-variable is not. Having the desired effect or not having any effect whatsoever can hardly be described as a "very faint distinction". Sincerely, Luc.