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From: Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org>
Cc: pogonyshev@gmx.net, jasonr@f2s.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: windows-1251 language environment
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:37:35 +0900 (JST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200310140037.JAA23889@etlken.m17n.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <rzqismxvwz1.fsf@albion.dl.ac.uk> (message from Dave Love on Fri,  10 Oct 2003 18:11:46 +0100)

In article <rzqismxvwz1.fsf@albion.dl.ac.uk>, Dave Love <d.love@dl.ac.uk> writes:

> Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> writes:
>>  At first, I have installed a mechanism of auto-loading a
>>  coding system.

> Is it really worth it for the 8-bit sets?  I'm not sure whether to
> think this is significant or not:

> let ((stats (garbage-collect)))
>   (load "code-pages")
>   (pp (list stats (garbage-collect))))

It's not easy to see the effect of preloading code-pages
from this output.   But, when I put this in loadup.el
	(load "international/code-pages")
the resulting Emacs is 585K-byte bigger.   I think we can't
ignore this size.

>>  I have not yet tested it fully.  We may have to add GCPROs
>>  in several places.

> <URL:ftp://dlpx1.dl.ac.uk/fx/emacs/Mule/autoload-coding-systems.diff>
> was reasonably well tested, probably also on a system where gcpro was
> relevant then (though I don't know if I tested it by forcing GC during
> loading).

Stefan also showed me his implementation.  I reached my code
because I didn't want to change anything other than the
place related to coding-system.  That is because this
mechanism is obsolte in emacs-unicode in which defining a
coding system is so cheap that there's no need of this
mechanism.

>>  Right.  I think what we need for language environment is a
>>  mechanism similar to face; i.e. creating a new one easily
>>  while allowing inheriting, and customizing an existing one
>>  easily.

> I did something about customizing the language alist some time ago.
> As far as I remember, it naturally used the mechanism for overriding
> elements of the standard value in customized lists, and that interface
> was vetoed for reasons I didn't understand.  Presumably inheritance
> would use a similar mechanism, but I'm not sure how useful it is.

> As it is, a language environment has to cover several things that
> should be orthogonal:

>  * The language (which might influence input methods as well as the
>    default Ispell dictionary, at least);

>  * The charset/coding system preferences (which might also influence
>    input methods, though the hooks now in Quail make that less of an
>    issue);

>  * Other things that currently aren't dealt with properly, like paper
>    size (for ps-print), calendar holidays &c (which may depend on the
>    locale territory, not just the language).

>>  For instance, in such a case, we can allow people to create
>>  a new lang. env. by inheriting, for instance, Russian, and
>>  modifying coding-system to windows-1251.

> Is this actually better than allowing them to specify (the equivalent
> of) the locale ru_RU.windows-1251?

If that locale is available to a user, that is ok.
Otherwise, there should be a way to provide the same
environment to him.

---
Ken'ichi HANDA
handa@m17n.org

  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-10-14  0:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.878.1064866468.21628.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-09-30 17:11 ` windows-1251 language environment Kevin Rodgers
     [not found] ` <200310032356.54476.pogonyshev@gmx.net>
     [not found]   ` <rzq1xtrsdrm.fsf@albion.dl.ac.uk>
     [not found]     ` <200310060013.52049.pogonyshev@gmx.net>
2003-10-07  2:54       ` Kenichi Handa
2003-10-07 11:56         ` Anton Zinoviev
2003-10-12 15:45           ` Dave Love
2003-10-17 12:49             ` Anton Zinoviev
2003-10-17 13:22               ` Terje Rosten
2003-10-17 14:36                 ` Anton Zinoviev
2003-10-17 16:58                   ` Terje Rosten
2003-10-21 22:38               ` Dave Love
2003-10-23  9:23                 ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-24 17:07                 ` Anton Zinoviev
2003-10-08  4:51         ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-08 10:40           ` Kenichi Handa
2003-10-09 14:44             ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-12 15:40               ` Dave Love
2003-10-13 23:50               ` Kenichi Handa
2003-10-14 19:31                 ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-15 13:44                   ` Kenichi Handa
2003-10-15 14:55                     ` Stefan Monnier
2003-10-16  9:16                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2003-10-16 16:44                         ` Stefan Monnier
2003-10-17  6:10                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2003-10-21 22:48                           ` Dave Love
2003-10-20 19:47                       ` Dave Love
2003-10-16 14:06                     ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-28  8:51                       ` Kenichi Handa
2003-10-10 17:11         ` Dave Love
2003-10-10 17:42           ` Stefan Monnier
2003-10-12 17:21             ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-14 22:24               ` Dave Love
2003-10-15 20:00                 ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-20 19:50                   ` Dave Love
2003-10-22  9:24                     ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-25 16:10                       ` Dave Love
2003-10-26 15:33                         ` Alex Schroeder
2003-10-28  8:50                           ` Kenichi Handa
2003-10-27  7:02                         ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-28 12:35                           ` Dave Love
2003-10-29 19:01                             ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-15 22:27                 ` Jason Rumney
2003-10-16 16:16                   ` Kevin Rodgers
2003-10-16 16:38                     ` Jason Rumney
2003-10-14  0:44             ` Kenichi Handa
2003-10-14 19:31               ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-14 22:33             ` Dave Love
2003-10-13 12:46           ` Dave Love
2003-10-14  0:37           ` Kenichi Handa [this message]
2003-10-15 14:38             ` Dave Love
2003-09-29 16:47 Paul Pogonyshev

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