From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kenichi Handa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: utf-8 cjk translation bug? Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 08:53:23 +0900 (JST) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200310062353.IAA11618@etlken.m17n.org> References: <200309301259.VAA01304@etlken.m17n.org> <200310020108.KAA03803@etlken.m17n.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1065484806 13634 80.91.224.253 (7 Oct 2003 00:00:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 00:00:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 07 02:00:04 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A6fGm-00016G-00 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 02:00:04 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A6fGm-0002yY-00 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 02:00:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A6fEg-0001Ay-6D for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:57:54 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1A6fBh-0000Yj-52 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:54:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1A6fB5-0000JI-ER for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:54:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.47.44.130] (helo=tsukuba.m17n.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A6fAU-00008q-Oi; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:53:34 -0400 Original-Received: from fs.m17n.org (fs.m17n.org [192.47.44.2]) by tsukuba.m17n.org (8.11.6p2/3.7W-20010518204228) with ESMTP id h96NrOh12765; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 08:53:24 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from handa@m17n.org) Original-Received: from etlken.m17n.org (etlken.m17n.org [192.47.44.125]) by fs.m17n.org (8.11.6/3.7W-20010823150639) with ESMTP id h96NrOs21314; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 08:53:24 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: (from handa@localhost) by etlken.m17n.org (8.8.8+Sun/3.7W-2001040620) id IAA11618; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 08:53:23 +0900 (JST) Original-To: d.love@dl.ac.uk In-reply-to: (message from Dave Love on Fri, 03 Oct 2003 17:04:41 +0100) User-Agent: SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.2 (Yagi-Nishiguchi) APEL/10.2 Emacs/21.3 (sparc-sun-solaris2.6) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:16968 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:16968 In article , Dave Love writes: > Kenichi Handa writes: >>> I also chose the boundaries to avoid breaking the region >>> between the mule-unicode and CJK charsets. >> >> Sorry, I don't understand the meaning of the last sentence. > mule-unicode-2500-33ff overlaps with one of the CJK blocks. You want > to avoid translating the part that overlaps to mule-unicode-2500-33ff > so that the block is displayed in a consistent font by default. Is > that clear? Yes. I see. >> Ah, right, they have double-width glyphs for those chars. >> But, I think there are still many those who are not using >> the recent XFree86, or who have not installed those fonts. > I would have expected them to have iso10646 fonts if they are using > utf-8 (for the sake of applications other than Emacs) but maybe that > isn't the case. You are obviously in a better position than I am to > decide the right thing. "using utf-8" means many things. If they are using utf-8 locale, I think they surely have those fonts. But, as far as I know, ja_JP.UTF-8 is still not that popular in Japan. And, even in ja_JP.eucJP locale, people occasionally have to use utf-8 file for many reasons. --- Ken'ichi HANDA handa@m17n.org