From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Danilo Segan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changing the no-toolkit scrollbar thumb color. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:16811 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:16811 Robert J. Chassell wrote: > I agree with you. But I don't know what to do. Incidentally, the > scroll bars in Emacs configured with --with-x-toolkit=gtk look > different than the scroll bars on my xterms and on my instances of > Galeon. It turns out the feature is not common throughout Gnome, at > least not in my instance of Gnome. Mine Gnome (2.4.0) and Emacs 21.3.50.5 (a bit old, was it late June or July, I don't recall) doesn't have this problem. xterm does show a different scrollbar, because it's not using the same toolkit (Gtk+), but Galeon 1.3.7, Emacs, and all the other apps show scroll bars as set in my theme. > > The blue was *not* the trough color. It appeared on the right side > of the thumb as a narrow line. For me, blue appeared as background of the arrow buttons when I pressed and held arrow buttons. > The white did appear in the grey75 (or so, I estimate) top of the > thumb when I put the mouse over it, but I want to see the white thumb > against a dark background when I do not put the cursor over it. This seems to be a theme issue to me. I'll try to find out later if there's a Gtk+ theme which has a greater contrast between the thumb and the entire bar (you may also try looking at art.gnome.org in Gtk+ section, if you find some spare time) > The yellow fails to color the thumb; it only colors the left and top > sides of the thumb when the cursor is not over it. Perhaps I'd need to check with a more recent Emacs CVS version, since for me, the entire bar and thumb (ok, I'm not really sure what is "thumb" in this context, but I hope I got it right ;-) are yellow. > > The top of the thumb and the bottom of the trough are the default > grey colors when the cursor is not over the thumb. > > As I said, I don't know what to do. Perhaps your set up is showing > different colors. If so, the Emacs documentation should explain what > to do when you use normal Gnome customizations. For a start, I'm certain that there're no such problems in 21.3.50.5 from 2003-06-30. I've updated Emacs from CVS, and I might try it again with it. If it turns out to work like you describe, the bug must have been introduced somewhere in between. As a sidenote, I expect most of the people using Gtk+ toolkit to use the default desktop theme, because that's what they chose for other apps too. Cheers, Danilo