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From: Werner LEMBERG <wl@gnu.org>
Cc: miles@gnu.org, gerd.moellmann@t-online.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
	jjc@jclark.com
Subject: Re: [wl@gnu.org: changing line heights]
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 07:56:30 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030927.075630.55493946.wl@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1A34rq-00054t-Ms@fencepost.gnu.org>


> It looks like the problem is that the appearances for 0x27 and 0x60
> don't look right for open and close quote, but the others that look
> right for open/close quote are at the same time too similar to each
> other.  Is that correct?

Not really.  It depends on the used fonts.  `Classical' fonts like the
ETL bitmap fonts which provide only glyphs for ISO 8859 characters
normally don't have U+2018/U+2019 at all -- the exception is
greek-iso8859-7, but this is broken currently (see my other mail).
For such fonts, the ` and ' characters are almost exclusively used for
left and right quotes -- there is hardly a need to have a stand-alone
version of the grave accent.  [I know this is hard to avoid on
e.g. German keyboards which use dead-keys to create accented
characters.]

In case someone wants to use U+2018 and U+2019 instead of 0x27 and
0x60, there must be a possibility to select the font.  In my case, I
would select the ETL iso-8859-7 fonts for *some* modes, not for all.

> If we need to offer multiple options, this is a good way to make
> them default more correctly.  At the same time, it might be a
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[Can't resist: Either something is correct, or it isn't -- what does
 `more correctly' then mean? :-)]

> substantial amount of work just to enter and maintain data about
> lots of fonts.

I think this is unavoidable.  IMHO you shouldn't combine glyphs from
different fonts without asking the user.  Perhaps some standard fonts
can be covered in a table, but in general this won't work.

A suggestion: If the user types `C-u C-x =' while being on a left or
right quote, a string like

  This glyph is probably taken from another font and thus looks ugly!
  Please use `M-x configure-quotation-glyphs' to set up replacement
  glyphs for the left and right quotation characters.

could appear in the pop-up window.


    Werner

  reply	other threads:[~2003-09-27  5:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <86isni5yyh.fsf@gerd.free-bsd.org>
     [not found] ` <20030924.144951.177659448.wl@gnu.org>
     [not found]   ` <86brta5noi.fsf@gerd.free-bsd.org>
2003-09-25  8:47     ` [wl@gnu.org: changing line heights] Werner LEMBERG
2003-09-25  9:23       ` Jason Rumney
2003-09-25 23:21         ` Richard Stallman
2003-09-25 23:30           ` Jason Rumney
2003-09-26 14:54             ` Richard Stallman
2003-09-25  9:56       ` Gerd Moellmann
2003-09-25 12:58         ` Werner LEMBERG
2003-09-25 23:21         ` Richard Stallman
2003-09-26  0:37           ` Miles Bader
2003-09-26  1:22             ` James Clark
2003-09-26  1:40               ` Miles Bader
2003-09-27  2:31                 ` Richard Stallman
2003-09-26  5:32               ` Werner LEMBERG
2003-09-26  6:14                 ` James Clark
2003-09-27  2:31                   ` Richard Stallman
2003-09-27  5:56                     ` Werner LEMBERG [this message]
2003-09-28 15:33                       ` Richard Stallman
2003-09-27 20:20                   ` Kai Grossjohann
2003-09-26  7:23               ` Jason Rumney
2003-09-26 14:03               ` James H.Cloos Jr.
2003-09-27  2:15         ` Kenichi Handa
2003-09-29  1:41           ` Kenichi Handa
2003-09-25 23:21       ` Richard Stallman
2003-09-25 23:47         ` Jason Rumney

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