From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ilya Zakharevich Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: narrow-to-here-document Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 01:33:03 -0700 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <20030622083303.GA4411@math.berkeley.edu> References: <20030620.225909.39171959.jet@gyve.org> <20030620141028.GA1331@math.berkeley.edu> <20030621.012632.74543482.jet@gyve.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1056270835 30680 80.91.224.249 (22 Jun 2003 08:33:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:33:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 22 10:33:53 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19U0IL-0007yi-00 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 10:33:53 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19U0Kp-0002Yh-00 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 10:36:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19U0Hv-0005t6-1s for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 04:33:27 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19U0Hc-0005sZ-N3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 04:33:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19U0Hb-0005rv-AL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 04:33:07 -0400 Original-Received: from gold.math.berkeley.edu ([169.229.58.61] helo=Math.Berkeley.EDU) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19U0HZ-0005pI-IB; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 04:33:05 -0400 Original-Received: from powdermilk.math.berkeley.edu (powdermilk [169.229.140.13]) by Math.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5M8X4ST009773; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 01:33:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: gold.math.berkeley.edu: Host powdermilk [169.229.140.13] claimed to be powdermilk.math.berkeley.edu Original-Received: (from ilya@localhost) by powdermilk.math.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04416; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 01:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Original-To: dak@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Original-cc: cperl@ilyaz.org Original-cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-cc: Masatake YAMATO X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:15187 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:15187 On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 04:48:09PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > > > TeX is one particular contestant. There are forms of "Literate > > > Programming" with a heavy mixture of code and comments, but every > > > reference manual contains C code passages, shell scripts and similar > > > stuff. An excerpt: > > > > TeX has no HERE documents. Period. > > An interesting style of discussion, given that I provided examples. > > There are *programming styles* in TeX (as far as can call fighting > > with TeX deficiencies programming ;-[) which provide a poor-man > > approximations to HERE documents. You did not provide any example of HERE-doc in TeX (only of constructs which may be used as substitutes for a language feature); as I said, there is no such thing. But this is pointless to discuss; what matters is how things are used, and given an engine which detects loaded packages, one can recognize the substitutes instead. > So I think that the potential applicability of such functionality > can't be completely summarized with "TeX has no HERE documents. > Period." For the sake of discussing the matter at hand, I don't see > that it would make sense not to consider the various TeX-based > applications here, too. I agreed with this in the end of the previous posting already. ;-) Yours, Ilya