From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Fwd: [arch-users] Re: Gud lord!] Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:19:55 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <20030611091044.51D9.JMBARRANQUERO@laley.wke.es> References: <20030610090750.9112.JMBARRANQUERO@laley.wke.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1055315855 17375 80.91.224.249 (11 Jun 2003 07:17:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:17:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 11 09:17:31 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19PzrP-0004Vq-00 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:17:31 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19Q0CH-0006dR-00 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:39:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Pzsx-0003qX-Ta for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 03:19:07 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19Pzsg-0003nJ-G1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 03:18:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19Pzsf-0003k6-0m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 03:18:49 -0400 Original-Received: from laley-actualidad.es ([195.53.61.17] helo=haya.laley.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Pzse-0003fy-CJ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 03:18:48 -0400 Original-Received: from idefix.laley.net (correo.wke.es [172.17.220.16]) by haya.laley.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27415; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:16:35 +0200 Original-Received: from [172.17.221.23] (jsredondo.wk.org [172.17.221.23]) by Version 5.5.2655.55) id LP7A4NR7; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:20:30 +0200 Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.06.02 Original-cc: krooger@debian.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:15022 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:15022 On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:25:08 -0400 Richard Stallman wrote: > They told me it was expected to be finished in a couple of decades. > I saw lots of work going on, last January. Yeah, there's always a lot of work going. Still, a couple decades seems way too optimistic. I've seen this thing grow from 1982 to this day, more or less, and there's been not that much development. And every time a new fragment is proposed, controversy arises about the "true master plan" of Gaud=ED (from which no real plans remain for the rest of the cathedral) and words like "traitor" and "horror" and "modern" (derisive :) are heard. Juanma P.S.: All that said, I think the Sagrada Familia is the most beautiful building in the world. What I felt the first time I was in front of it... I cannot describe it; like a deep, wonderful, sad, joyful heartache that left me speechless. The only other time I've felt so was the first time I saw the Guanabara Bay from the P=E3o de A=E7ucar.