From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Fwd: [arch-users] Re: Gud lord!] Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:55:44 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <20030610165211.911A.JMBARRANQUERO@laley.wke.es> References: <20030610160057.9115.JMBARRANQUERO@laley.wke.es> <200306101437.h5AEbxHI032125@rum.cs.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1055257196 2280 80.91.224.249 (10 Jun 2003 14:59:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:59:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 10 16:59:52 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19PkbI-0000aP-00 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:59:52 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19Pkvp-0004u6-00 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:21:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19PkbL-0002tD-EA for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:59:55 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19Pkab-0002gl-KD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:59:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19Pka9-0002Ok-NC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:58:42 -0400 Original-Received: from laley-actualidad.es ([195.53.61.17] helo=haya.laley.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19PkWR-0001NS-Ru; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:54:52 -0400 Original-Received: from idefix.laley.net (correo.wke.es [172.17.220.16]) by haya.laley.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09876; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:52:37 +0200 Original-Received: from [172.17.221.23] (jsredondo.wk.org [172.17.221.23]) by Version 5.5.2655.55) id LP7A4MG9; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:56:34 +0200 Original-To: "Stefan Monnier" In-Reply-To: <200306101437.h5AEbxHI032125@rum.cs.yale.edu> X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.06.02 Original-cc: Jonathan Walther Original-cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14998 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14998 On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:37:59 -0400 "Stefan Monnier" wrote: > It is a problem because you can't look inside with the usual tools, > so you end up locked with a specific set of tools and you have to > use them to get anything done. Yes, but that's ameliorated if the format is well documented. And, I'd really hope if we do switch to another system, it'll be one more stable than CVS :) > And when there's a bug, it can end > up pretty disastrous (basically, the big-binary-blob implements > something like a file-system, so a bug is like a bug in your kernel > that can trash your entire file system). Sure. Backups are always needed. > It's not unbearable, but saying that "Subversion is just a better CVS" > is just silly. The implementation of Subversion is far more radical than > the one of OpenCM, Arch, and Meta-CVS (which is why it's taking so long, > BTW, especially compared to single-man efforts such as Arch or > Meta-CVS). I know. But I'm not talking about implementation. Nowhere in this thread I've done so. Subversion is a better CVS, from the user's POV. I'd like to use a program with a similar mindset, user-wise, than CVS. BitKeeper, for what I've heard, is vastly different, and I think arch too. Juanma