From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stefan Monnier" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Fwd: [arch-users] Re: Gud lord!] Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 15:58:53 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200306091958.h59Jwsg2028980@rum.cs.yale.edu> References: <20030609102110.2C80.JMBARRANQUERO@laley.wke.es> <1055169445.1387.14.camel@lan1> <20030609165127.2C8F.JMBARRANQUERO@laley.wke.es> <20030609192118.GA18041@reactor-core.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1055189926 22920 80.91.224.249 (9 Jun 2003 20:18:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 20:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 09 22:18:39 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19PT5C-0005rB-00 for ; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 22:17:34 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19PTPN-0002Ah-00 for ; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 22:38:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19PSvU-00062n-IW for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 16:07:32 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19PSv9-00062D-II for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 16:07:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19PSsr-0005a7-I5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 16:04:50 -0400 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu ([128.36.229.169]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19PSnC-0003c0-R9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 15:58:58 -0400 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h59Jws0i028982; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:58:54 -0400 Original-Received: (from monnier@localhost) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h59Jwsg2028980; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:58:54 -0400 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Original-To: Jonathan Walther X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14967 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14967 I have no idea what you people are trying to do. I think every Emacs developer agrees that it would be great to use another system, whether Meta-CVS, Subversion, OpenCM, Arch, you name it. I personally have a preference for either Meta-CVS or Arch (they're both very "shallow" and have a unix-simplicity feel to them), but don't really care either way when it comes down to it. The problem is not whether we should switch, but when will we be able to. The "support" issues I pointed out need to be resolved first, including tranfering the history info from CVS to the new system (it doesn't cut it to say "oh but you don't need it"). So when something like PCL-CVS exists, when Perspective provides the same kind of functionality as ViewCVS (including .../foo/bar?rev=HEAD links to post on newsgroups: I couldn't figure out how to do that), when RPM packages are available everywhere, and when cvs2arch exists and works (at least on the main branch), come back to bug me and I'll be much more receptive to the idea, for sure. Stefan