From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Idea for compilation mode Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 19:55:00 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <20030606194310.8AB8.LEKTU@terra.es> References: <20030606143233.7242.JMBARRANQUERO@laley.wke.es> <1054906804.3ee099b461f76@webmail.isogmbh.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054922376 29030 80.91.224.249 (6 Jun 2003 17:59:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:59:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juanma Barranquero Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 06 19:59:30 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19OLUv-0007Xm-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 19:59:29 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19OLna-0003hj-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 20:18:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19OLWR-0007Gy-KL for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 14:01:03 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19OLUU-0006Ej-Ly for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 13:59:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19OLTb-00051S-Im for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 13:58:14 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.terra.es ([213.4.129.129] helo=tsmtp7.mail.isp) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19OLQi-0003oO-H6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 13:55:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [81.40.54.25] ([81.40.54.25]) by tsmtp7.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id HG2N3N00.4AP; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:54:59 +0200 Original-To: Stephan Stahl In-Reply-To: <1054906804.3ee099b461f76@webmail.isogmbh.de> X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.06.02 Original-cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14848 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14848 On Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:40:04 +0200, Stephan Stahl wrote: > I am not sure where + is on a spanish keyboard but i find AtlGr-9 is very hard > to hit on a german keyboard. AlrGr is on the right side and 9 too so one would > have to completly leave the homerow with the right hand. Second row is QWERTYUIOP`+ so yes, + is on the right. I do AltGr + all the time with the right hand and I don't find it uncomfortable. > Then again RightCtrl-AltGr-9 is almost imposible to do when typing fluidly? Yes. But I've never had the need of typing C-] fluidly, usually my slow way has been enough :) > C-c C-\ c-backslash-region => C-c AltGr Right-Ctrl \ > C-M-\ indent-region => AltGr Right-Ctrl Alt \ > M-} dired-next-marked-file > M-{ dired-prev-marked-file > M-\ delete-horizontal-space => AltGr Alt \ > C-\ toggle-input-method => AltGr Right-Ctrl \ > M-~ not-modified => AltGr Alt 4 4 So I can type most of them (I've not found equivalent combinations for M-{}). > That is just to point out someone who wants to look for better bindings and > wants to keep non american keyboards in mind has a very difficult job to do. And my point is that some of us just *use* a national keyboard, and we're able to make do, if sometimes in a very convoluted way (fortunately, most of these keys I don't use, and the ones I use I can rebind to Hyper-something, where Hyper is my left "window" key). So national keyboards is something that we must live with, and finding easier keybindings for some of those commands would be *good*. /L/e/k/t/u