From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stefan Monnier" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Divergence in menu appearance between Emacs Info and standalone Info Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 19:23:53 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200306052323.h55NNr4B002965@rum.cs.yale.edu> References: <200306041404.h54E4SO30552@f7.net> <5x8ysg6p4r.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054855601 18365 80.91.224.249 (5 Jun 2003 23:26:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 23:26:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 06 01:26:37 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19O47x-0004lr-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 01:26:37 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19O4QF-0006m6-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 01:45:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19O48Y-0005C1-Db for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 19:27:14 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19O46J-0004PW-B9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 19:24:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19O45a-0003MI-AU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 19:24:10 -0400 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu ([128.36.229.169]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19O45K-0003BE-FI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 19:23:54 -0400 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h55NNs0i002967; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:23:54 -0400 Original-Received: (from monnier@localhost) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h55NNr4B002965; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:23:53 -0400 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Original-To: "Robert J. Chassell" X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14802 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14802 > With users (including myself) becoming more and more used to web > browsers, the traditional "info way" of presenting references looks > old-fashioned, and is IMHO a real obstackle to a "natural reading > flow". > > There is the difference. The more often I read a document with a Web > browser, the more angry I get at Berners-Lee for inventing a broken > format! It is impossible to navigate through a multi-page HTML > document using regular expression searches! Sure, I love Info for all those things and more. But what does it have to do with whether or not node names are shown prominently in menus and xrefs ? I've been benefitting from the structure offered by Texinfo, I've been benefitting from the whole-document-regexp-search, .... and all this without ever worrying about node names. Stefan PS: BTW, node names do not reflect any of the structure either.