From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: karl@freefriends.org (Karl Berry) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Divergence in menu appearance between Emacs Info and standalone Info Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:12:17 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200306042312.h54NCHj16157@f7.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054768907 11435 80.91.224.249 (4 Jun 2003 23:21:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 23:21:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 05 01:21:46 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19NhYh-0002uX-00 for ; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 01:20:43 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19NhqV-0000rG-00 for ; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 01:39:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Nhai-000299-W8 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 19:22:49 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19NhXM-00011B-HG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 19:19:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19NhW0-0000c5-30 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 19:17:58 -0400 Original-Received: from consort.superb.net ([209.61.216.22] helo=f7.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19NhQd-0007fl-NO; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 19:12:23 -0400 Original-Received: (from karl@localhost) by f7.net (8.11.7/8.11.6) id h54NCHj16157; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:12:17 -0400 Original-To: teirllm@dms.auburn.edu Original-cc: rms@gnu.org Original-cc: bob@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14721 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14721 Presenting the user with two different manuals (regardless of how this would be implemented internally) would make this nearly impossible to I agree wholeheartedly. That's the only thing I feel really strongly about, that we shouldn't have two manuals (especially not both named info.texi!) for the two programs. I believe many users use both standalone Info and Emacs info.el, and those two interfaces are so very similar (by design, after all) it is good to just describe the discrepancies where they exist, in a single manual. And we should work to minimize any such discrepancies. By contrast, the other Info readers such as pinfo and tkinfo (besides not being GNU software, as Eli says), have (I believe) quite different interfaces. So they need different manuals. "If you use standalone Info or use Emacs Info and set Info-hide-note-references to nil..." There could/should also be a description of the Emacs Info behavior with the node hiding. Especially if it's the default. As for whether the hiding is the default or not, that's your collective decision. rms asked my opinion, so I gave it, that's all :).