From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stefan Monnier" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Divergence in menu appearance between Emacs Info and standalone Info Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 11:01:29 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200306041501.h54F1Tq3025762@rum.cs.yale.edu> References: <200306041404.h54E4SO30552@f7.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054739436 18189 80.91.224.249 (4 Jun 2003 15:10:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 15:10:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 04 17:10:31 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19NZto-0004gu-00 for ; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 17:10:00 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19NaBR-0004J2-00 for ; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 17:28:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19NZpj-0003Pw-8F for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 11:05:47 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19NZnY-0002fA-48 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 11:03:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19NZmH-000264-Oo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 11:02:14 -0400 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu ([128.36.229.169]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19NZla-0001lw-DM; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 11:01:30 -0400 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h54F1T0i025764; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:01:29 -0400 Original-Received: (from monnier@localhost) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h54F1Tq3025762; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:01:29 -0400 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Original-To: karl@freefriends.org (Karl Berry) Original-cc: rms@gnu.org Original-cc: bob@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14689 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14689 > In the example at hand, > * Foo: A Node about Foo: ... > the user will select `Foo', but then end up at `A Node about Foo', with > no real way of making the connection between them. I don't understand what's the problem. How many users currently actively use node names ? From what I can tell, these seem to be mostly used internally, much like URLs in HTML. And if they want to make the connection, they can just look at the `Node:' at the top of the buffer which tells them where they landed. Also, the actual node is mentioned in the tooltip that pops up when the mouse is over `Foo' (or at least it should since the patch I installed yesterday). The main reason for hiding the text AFAIK is to clean up the menu, and I think it's very effective at that. Maybe it's only needed for the `dir' file, tho, since the other menus are generally well aligned already (because they are not made up of disparate pieces like `dir' is). But I also like the hiding in xrefs, it makes the text much more pleasant to read. > I don't like the divergent conditionals either. However, I think it > would be ok to simply say in info.texi, `Emacs Info does it this way, > and standalone Info does it that way'. I think that would be clear to > users of both programs. Better than (effectively) having two different > manuals with the same name, anyway. Indeed. After all there are other Info readers, besides `info' and `emacs' and they don't necessarily look alike. Stefan