From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stefan Monnier" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Problems with info (emacs version) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 13:17:43 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200306021717.h52HHhQf016260@rum.cs.yale.edu> References: <200306020333.h523XMC23468@eel.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054576013 13837 80.91.224.249 (2 Jun 2003 17:46:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 02 19:46:47 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19MtOR-0003aa-00 for ; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 19:46:47 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19Mtf9-00024q-00 for ; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 20:04:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Mt3x-0002gf-T3 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 13:25:37 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19Mt2w-0002Mq-3N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 13:24:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19Mt1k-0001Uv-OL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 13:23:21 -0400 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu ([128.36.229.169]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19MswL-0007pZ-CI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 13:17:45 -0400 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h52HHh0i016262; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:17:43 -0400 Original-Received: (from monnier@localhost) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h52HHhQf016260; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:17:43 -0400 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Original-To: Luc Teirlinck X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14597 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14597 > 3. Invisible text suddenly becomes visible when yanked inside an > Emacs buffer (by default). Text with the display property does > not when yanked in an Emacs buffer, but does when yanked into > other applications. Try to make sense of that if you do not know > about the invisibility property, yank-ignored-properties or the > display property. (I would guess that most newbies or casual > users do not know about any of these, let alone about all of them > and their subtleties.) Some text appears completely out of > nowhere when yanking into an Emacs buffer and then suddenly even > more text appears when yanking it elsewhere. What is going on? I think we should solve the above as follows: Instead of marking lines as: * CVS:(cvs). The CVS thingy. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (display " ") we should mark them as follows: * CVS:(cvs). The CVS thingy. ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ invisible (display (space :align-to 24)) the idea being that `display' is only used to turn a set of spaces into some other representation of "some number of space". and the text that's really made invisible uses the `invisible' property, so the rest of Emacs knows better how to handle it. Stefan