From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stefan Monnier" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Idea for determining what users use Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:40:40 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200305301540.h4UFeeJ0022461@rum.cs.yale.edu> References: <59EC6788-92AE-11D7-8588-00039363E640@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054309546 13847 80.91.224.249 (30 May 2003 15:45:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 15:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri May 30 17:45:44 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19Lm4e-0003b2-00 for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 17:45:44 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19LmJr-0006tL-00 for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 18:01:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Lm3I-0004K4-7S for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 30 May 2003 11:44:20 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19Lm2C-0003Er-0e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2003 11:43:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19Lm1C-0002Lv-Bf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2003 11:42:10 -0400 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu ([128.36.229.169]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Llzk-0001kA-Th for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2003 11:40:40 -0400 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4UFee0i022463; Fri, 30 May 2003 11:40:40 -0400 Original-Received: (from monnier@localhost) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h4UFeeJ0022461; Fri, 30 May 2003 11:40:40 -0400 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Original-To: "Jan D." Original-cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14491 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14491 > > These are very badly configured machines. > > Complain to whoever is responsible for such a brain dead behavior. > That would be me :-) Are you saying that consciously installed sendmail and set up its config so that it does the wrong thing ? > > A missing sendmail or a sendmail that returns a particular error > > could be a useful hint to convince Emacs to automatically try the > > smtpmail package. > > Sendmail is not missing and does not return any error message. The > sendmail daemon is not running, that is all. Why should it? Nobody > is using it, and a potential security risk is removed. It seems > excessive > to configure sendmail and start a daemon just because Emacs might want > to send a mail. The default install of sendmail should not do what you describe, because of its obvious tendency to behave as a blackhole. Complain to whoever is responsible for this default config. I'm not saying you should run it as a daemon. I'm saying that running it should report a "not configured" error. Stefan PS: why have it installed if you don't use it and it doesn't work ?