From: Tak Ota <Takaaki.Ota@am.sony.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Will default key bindings spell the death of Emacs?
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:47:43 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030529.174743.98156433.Takaaki.Ota@am.sony.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030529214728.GA24984@gnu.org>
Thu, 29 May 2003 17:47:28 -0400: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> wrote:
> On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 10:57:06PM +0200, Lars Hansen wrote:
> > Yes, it is a large task to implement a possibility to completely change
> > keymappings of Emacs, but never the less, IMHO it is the right thing to do.
> > And it could be done in small steps if we lay out a strategy.
>
> No it's a completely silly thing to do (or even waste time arguing about).
I agree with Miles. It is silly to change the standard emacs binding
because for example C-n is not simply bound to next-line but it is
bound to the concept or notion "next" so that some other package also
binds C-n to a function that intuitively matches to the notion "next",
which may not necessarily perform next-line. Sometimes ?n is also
bound to "next".
But at the same time I also sympathize with what Lars and others are
pointing out.
Is it worth considering as a long term development item to introduce a
notion layer between key sequence and function? Each mode package
binds a notion to a function instead of a key sequence to a function
in its local map. The key sequence to notion binding is defined
elsewhere. This way if a user binds some other key sequence than C-n
to "next" it applies to entire emacs living environment including but
not limited to next-line.
This idea of notion layer is interesting and easy to say but actual
implementation work is unimaginably enormous because it involves all
lisp libraries. I am not so positive if it is really worth daring.
-Tak
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Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <E19LPs9-0002b6-0o@monty-python.gnu.org>
2003-05-29 20:57 ` Will default key bindings spell the death of Emacs? Lars Hansen
2003-05-29 21:47 ` Miles Bader
2003-05-29 22:04 ` Lars Hansen
2003-05-29 22:45 ` Miles Bader
2003-05-30 6:52 ` Lars Hansen
2003-05-30 10:11 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2003-05-30 10:32 ` Alex Schroeder
2003-05-30 10:52 ` Miles Bader
2003-05-30 12:06 ` Jan D.
2003-05-30 11:06 ` Lars Hansen
2003-05-30 11:19 ` Juanma Barranquero
2003-05-30 16:27 ` Alex Schroeder
2003-05-30 17:09 ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-05-30 17:13 ` Richard Stallman
2003-05-31 20:19 ` David Kastrup
2003-05-31 21:31 ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-06-01 0:14 ` David Kastrup
2003-06-01 11:24 ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-06-01 12:12 ` David Kastrup
2003-06-01 19:36 ` Jan D.
2003-06-01 19:43 ` David Kastrup
2003-06-01 20:18 ` Jan D.
2003-05-29 23:58 ` Alan Shutko
2003-05-30 0:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2003-05-30 5:20 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-05-30 17:29 ` Kevin Rodgers
2003-05-30 19:55 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-06-02 21:27 ` Kevin Rodgers
2003-06-02 22:05 ` David Kastrup
2003-06-03 16:25 ` Kevin Rodgers
2003-06-03 20:28 ` David Kastrup
2003-06-02 22:42 ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-06-03 16:26 ` Kevin Rodgers
2003-05-30 7:16 ` Lars Hansen
2003-05-30 13:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2003-05-31 19:52 ` Richard Stallman
2003-05-31 20:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2003-06-02 11:15 ` Richard Stallman
2003-06-02 17:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2003-06-03 10:58 ` Richard Stallman
2003-05-30 13:26 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-05-30 0:47 ` Tak Ota [this message]
2003-05-30 1:48 ` Miles Bader
2003-05-30 5:19 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-05-30 6:09 ` Miles Bader
2003-05-30 17:13 ` Richard Stallman
2003-05-30 19:58 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-06-01 15:52 ` Richard Stallman
2003-06-01 17:05 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-05-29 22:10 ` Kevin Rodgers
2003-05-30 5:13 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-05-30 6:33 ` Miles Bader
2003-05-30 7:53 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-05-30 8:05 ` Miles Bader
2003-05-30 13:26 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-06-04 11:20 ` Andreas Schwab
2003-06-04 12:49 ` Lars Hansen
2003-06-04 13:08 ` David Kastrup
2003-06-05 12:13 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2003-06-05 21:46 ` Richard Stallman
2003-06-05 21:55 ` David Kastrup
2003-06-05 12:45 Robert J. Chassell
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-05-30 8:57 Lars Hansen
[not found] <E19LWOR-0001eW-Nm@monty-python.gnu.org>
2003-05-30 6:36 ` Lars Hansen
[not found] <1054178219.882.88.camel@morgan>
2003-05-29 14:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-05-29 14:38 ` Jan D.
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