From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: MML charset tag regression Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 20:31:25 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <20030524003125.GA25084@gnu.org> References: <088E6F94-8D78-11D7-B24F-00039363E640@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1053736451 23544 80.91.224.249 (24 May 2003 00:34:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 00:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sat May 24 02:34:09 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19JMzB-00067c-00 for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 02:34:09 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19JNB0-0000VA-00 for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 02:46:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19JMyx-0003PG-65 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 23 May 2003 20:33:55 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19JMyL-00032a-UD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 May 2003 20:33:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19JMxE-00086T-Gr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 May 2003 20:32:09 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19JMwf-0007VW-9M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 May 2003 20:31:33 -0400 Original-Received: from miles by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.20) id 19JMwX-0006uo-Qx; Fri, 23 May 2003 20:31:25 -0400 Original-To: "Jan D." Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <088E6F94-8D78-11D7-B24F-00039363E640@swipnet.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Blat: Foop Original-cc: jas@extundo.com Original-cc: rms@gnu.org Original-cc: handa@m17n.org Original-cc: ding@gnus.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14173 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:52814 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14173 On Sat, May 24, 2003 at 01:41:10AM +0200, Jan D. wrote: > >But it is unfair to say that not being based on Unicode is a > >"problem". > > If I start a GTK application in a directory with a name in a non-Unicode > charset and then bring up the GTK file selection widget, the application > will crash. GTK considers this an error by the user for not having file > and directory names in Unicode. I think this situation is similar. I assume GTK's returning `?' in compound-text, though highly annoying, is just laziness and/or cluelessness, but _this_ attitude is completely braindead... Isn't GTK's big goal these days to be user-centric?!? -Miles -- "1971 pickup truck; will trade for guns"