From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jan D." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gtk scrollbar: thumb too short Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:37:25 +0200 (CEST) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200304101830.h3AIU6bN017920@stubby.bodenonline.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1049996619 9049 80.91.224.249 (10 Apr 2003 17:43:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:43:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 10 19:43:34 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 193g47-0002G8-00 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:42:23 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 193g9B-00023I-00 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:47:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 193g3G-0001gR-08 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:41:30 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 193g27-00012n-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:40:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 193g1F-0000QH-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:39:26 -0400 Original-Received: from stubby.bodenonline.com ([193.201.16.94]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 193g0j-0008Sw-00; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:38:53 -0400 Original-Received: from accessno42.bodenonline.com (IDENT:root@accessno42.bodenonline.com [193.201.16.44]) h3AIU6bN017920; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 20:30:09 +0200 In-Reply-To: "from Richard Stallman at Apr 10, 2003 02:22:54 am" Original-To: rms@gnu.org Original-cc: teirllm@dms.auburn.edu Original-cc: kai.grossjohann@gmx.net Original-cc: Owen Taylor X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:13119 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:13119 > If Owen refuses to cooperate, then we could make a modified version of > GtkScrollbar for use in Emacs. But that might be too much work for > us, not knowing the code. > > The alternative that the thumb reaches the bottom only with maximum > overscrolling is bad in several ways. I explained the problem that we > get with a large file such as etc/NEWS: you cannot drag the thumb to > see the end of the file. If the thumb is at the bottom, you see no > text. If the thumb is one pixel up, you are looking at text quite a > ways from the end of the file. How is different from the native scrollbar? When I drag the thumb with mouse-2 in the native scrollbar to the end, I don't see any text, it has been overscrolled out of view. > I just thought of another alternative. The thumb could reach the bottom > when ZV reaches the bottom of the screen; then, if you overscroll, the > thumb would not move. In other words, overscrolling would not be indicated > by the thumb. > > This is obviously problematical, but I think it is less problematical > than the other alternative. > > Jan, would you like to try this? I will try if the adjust_bounds tick doesn't work out. Jan D.