From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.customize Subject: Re: Customize Rogue Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:13:59 -0600 (CST) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200303130013.SAA15719@eel.dms.auburn.edu> References: <20030310163108.44F9.LEKTU@terra.es> <200303110016.SAA14021@eel.dms.auburn.edu> <20030311012051.6EDF.LEKTU@terra.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1047514521 17466 80.91.224.249 (13 Mar 2003 00:15:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 00:15:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 13 01:15:20 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18tGNU-0004Xa-00 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 01:15:20 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18tGkw-0005X1-00 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 01:39:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18tGMu-0005Pq-09 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:14:45 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18tGM6-0004Kq-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:13:54 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18tGLa-0003Z0-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:13:23 -0500 Original-Received: from manatee.dms.auburn.edu ([131.204.53.104]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18tGLI-0003FU-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:13:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eel.dms.auburn.edu (eel.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.108]) h2D0D3B10580; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:13:03 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by eel.dms.auburn.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id SAA15719; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:13:59 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: eel.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: abraham@dina.kvl.dk In-reply-to: (message from Per Abrahamsen on Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:19:22 +0100) Original-cc: emacs-custom@sunsite.dk X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:12324 gmane.emacs.customize:41 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:12324 Per Abrahamsen wrote: All of these cases are handled by Luc's set-activate. However, they are still bugs because we have decided they are bugs. Providing 'set-activate' is a convenient workaround for the bugs, which may mean the bugs will take longer to get fixed. I believe the latter is the reason why Richard (and others) are not terribly enthusiastic about set-activate, even in renamed form. (Assuming I understood correctly.) I personally believe the advantages of 'set-activate' outweigh the disadvantages though. Maybe these advantages can be achieved in other ways. I made a proposal to suggest that the function used by :set should normally not only be named, but actually use the same symbol as the variable. In other words, normally the :set function would be either set-default, funcall or a slight variation on funcall for variables of boolean type, which would behave exactly like minor modes. After sending that message, I saw that you were not on the CC list, but I assume that you read emacs-devel. Sincerely, Luc.