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From: Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org>
Cc: monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu
Subject: Re: setenv -> locale-coding-system cannot handle ASCII?!
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:33:03 +0900 (JST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200303040433.NAA07773@etlken.m17n.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <buod6l73kyu.fsf@mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp> (message from Miles Bader on 04 Mar 2003 11:48:57 +0900)

In article <buod6l73kyu.fsf@mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp>, Miles Bader <miles@lsi.nec.co.jp> writes:
> Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
>>      a buffer/string's should have an associated `unibyte encoding'
>>      attribute, which would allow it to be encoded using the
>>      straightforward and efficient `unibyte representation' but appear
>>      to lisp/whoweve as being a multibyte buffer/string (all of who's
>>      characters happen to have the same charset).
>>  
>>  This is more or less what a unibyte buffer is now, except that there
>>  is only one possibility for which character sets can be stored in it:
>>  it holds the character codes from 0 to 0377.

> Yeah, but I'm saying that emacs should be able to use this efficient
> representation for other character sets as well -- I think it's far more
> common to have buffers storing non-raw 8-bit characters than raw
> characters, so why is the uncommon case optimized?

As for memory, such optimization may be worth considering
except for CJK users, but as for speed, not that much.  And
in emacs-unicode, it gets worse.  And, memory is not a big
problem nowadays.

On the other hand, for the operations on raw bytes, the
efficiency of using unibyte buffer/string is really great.

[...]
> but I also think the current design is somewhat broken, and
> makes it too easy for programmers to do the wrong thing.

I agree, and, I think the main reason is the automatic
adjustment of unibyte<->multibyte.  It may be a nifty
feature for users, but a very difficult feature for
programmers (including emacs maintainers).

---
Ken'ichi HANDA
handa@m17n.org

  reply	other threads:[~2003-03-04  4:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-02-25  0:18 setenv -> locale-coding-system cannot handle ASCII?! Sam Steingold
2003-02-25  6:34 ` Kenichi Handa
2003-02-25  6:47   ` Miles Bader
2003-02-26  0:58     ` Kenichi Handa
2003-02-26  2:11       ` Stefan Monnier
2003-02-26  2:34         ` Kenichi Handa
2003-02-26  2:52           ` Stefan Monnier
2003-02-26  5:32             ` Kenichi Handa
2003-02-26  5:50               ` Stefan Monnier
2003-02-26  7:49                 ` Kenichi Handa
2003-02-26  8:05                   ` Kenichi Handa
2003-02-26  8:08                     ` Stefan Monnier
2003-02-26  8:12                   ` Stefan Monnier
2003-02-26  8:38                     ` tar-mode Kenichi Handa
2003-02-26  8:53                       ` tar-mode Stefan Monnier
2003-02-26 11:53                         ` tar-mode Kenichi Handa
2003-02-26 12:22                           ` tar-mode Stefan Monnier
2003-02-26 23:26                   ` setenv -> locale-coding-system cannot handle ASCII?! Richard Stallman
2003-02-26 23:26                   ` Richard Stallman
2003-02-26 23:26                 ` Richard Stallman
2003-02-26 23:26               ` Richard Stallman
2003-02-27  0:06                 ` Miles Bader
2003-03-03 18:59                   ` Richard Stallman
2003-03-04  2:48                     ` Miles Bader
2003-03-04  4:33                       ` Kenichi Handa [this message]
2003-03-05 20:46                       ` Richard Stallman
2003-02-26 23:25       ` Richard Stallman

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