From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: info Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:21:07 -0600 (CST) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200301292321.RAA07221@eel.dms.auburn.edu> References: <200301290133.TAA05169@eel.dms.auburn.edu> <200301292039.OAA26000@moose.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1043882461 14877 80.91.224.249 (29 Jan 2003 23:21:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 23:21:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18e1Vd-0003qd-00 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 00:20:45 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18e1b1-0003QG-00 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 00:26:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18e1W4-00017x-05 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:21:12 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18e1VX-0000fr-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:20:39 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18e1VO-0000IG-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:20:32 -0500 Original-Received: from manatee.dms.auburn.edu ([131.204.53.104]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18e1VL-0000Fh-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:20:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eel.dms.auburn.edu (eel.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.108]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA05084; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:20:23 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by eel.dms.auburn.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id RAA07221; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:21:07 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: eel.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: teirllm@dms.auburn.edu In-reply-to: <200301292039.OAA26000@moose.dms.auburn.edu> (message from Luc Teirlinck on Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:39:06 -0600 (CST)) Original-cc: eliz@is.elta.co.il Original-cc: karl@freefriends.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:11204 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:11204 >>From my previous message: Everything between two leading *'s is the previous *'s territory. Note that this gets taken very literally. Extreme example from ccmode: * Variable Index:: --- The Detailed Node Listing --- New Indentation Engine * Syntactic Analysis:: * Indentation Calculation:: With point right before the Syntactic Analysis line, the default for m is still Variable Index. I do not see how to both select the intended nodes in the situations I described and avoid this behavior. The question is, as I explained in my previous message, whether this behavior is really bad, because it does the obvious right thing whenever there is such a thing and is easily predictable and completely consistent in other cases. It is not "natural", but it is not "natural" to press RETURN in those places to begin with, unless one knows what the result is going to be. The only obvious alternative I see is Eli's suggestion to adopt the current stand-alone behavior. Again, this alternative is perfectly acceptable to me, since my main objection was confusion rather than inconvenience. Sincerely, Luc.