Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 2, Issue 49

Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 2, Issue 49

[Eli Zaretskii]

On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 emacs-diffs-request@gnu.org wrote:

> Index: emacs/src/ChangeLog
> diff -c emacs/src/ChangeLog:1.3056 emacs/src/ChangeLog:1.3057
> *** emacs/src/ChangeLog:1.3056	Sat Jan 25 10:14:16 2003
> --- emacs/src/ChangeLog	Sat Jan 25 11:25:38 2003
> ***************
> *** 1,3 ****
> --- 1,20 ----
> + 2003-01-25  Jan D.  <jan.h.d@swipnet.se>
> + 
> + 	* xterm.h: Change to return value of x_dispatch_event to int.

Such incomplete names ("Jan D." in this case) will get into AUTHORS 
because it's created by a program (authors.el).  If we want AUTHORS to
mention full names, perhaps we should instruct developers to use full 
names in ChangeLog entries.

Just a thought.

Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 2, Issue 49

[Jan D.]

söndagen den 26 januari 2003 kl 07.02 skrev Eli Zaretskii:

>
> On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 emacs-diffs-request@gnu.org wrote:
>
>> Index: emacs/src/ChangeLog
>> diff -c emacs/src/ChangeLog:1.3056 emacs/src/ChangeLog:1.3057
>> *** emacs/src/ChangeLog:1.3056	Sat Jan 25 10:14:16 2003
>> --- emacs/src/ChangeLog	Sat Jan 25 11:25:38 2003
>> ***************
>> *** 1,3 ****
>> --- 1,20 ----
>> + 2003-01-25  Jan D.  <jan.h.d@swipnet.se>
>> +
>> + 	* xterm.h: Change to return value of x_dispatch_event to int.
>
> Such incomplete names ("Jan D." in this case) will get into AUTHORS
> because it's created by a program (authors.el).  If we want AUTHORS to
> mention full names, perhaps we should instruct developers to use full
> names in ChangeLog entries.

Whe I started using e-mail, non-ASCII characters where not handeled well,
so my last name was mangeled in all sorts of ways.  I just got tired
of trying to fix this so I use just the initial.  But if there is
a policy for this, I can change.  Is there any particular encoding
or character set that shall be used for this?  Changelogs are in
iso-2022-7bit.  Is that what I must use for user-full-name?

	Jan D.

Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 2, Issue 49

[Kim F. Storm]

> 
> Whe I started using e-mail, non-ASCII characters where not handeled well,
> so my last name was mangeled in all sorts of ways.  I just got tired
> of trying to fix this so I use just the initial.  But if there is
> a policy for this, I can change.  Is there any particular encoding
> or character set that shall be used for this?  Changelogs are in
> iso-2022-7bit.  Is that what I must use for user-full-name?
> 
> 	Jan D.

It would be simpler just to add yourself to the `author-aliases' list
in emacs-lisp/authors.el

Then you don't have to change the ChangeLogs, and you can continue
identifying yourself as Jan D.

-- 
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk

Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 2, Issue 49

[Jan D.]

> 
> > 
> > Whe I started using e-mail, non-ASCII characters where not handeled well,
> > so my last name was mangeled in all sorts of ways.  I just got tired
> > of trying to fix this so I use just the initial.  But if there is
> > a policy for this, I can change.  Is there any particular encoding
> > or character set that shall be used for this?  Changelogs are in
> > iso-2022-7bit.  Is that what I must use for user-full-name?
> > 
> > 	Jan D.
> 
> It would be simpler just to add yourself to the `author-aliases' list
> in emacs-lisp/authors.el
> 
> Then you don't have to change the ChangeLogs, and you can continue
> identifying yourself as Jan D.

That sounds like a good idea.  But is it OK to put in Latin-1 characters
in the alias?  I see that all other aliases uses ASCII only.

	Jan D.

Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 2, Issue 49

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: "Jan D." <jan.h.d@swipnet.se>
> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:11:19 +0100 (MET)
> 
> That sounds like a good idea.  But is it OK to put in Latin-1 characters
> in the alias?  I see that all other aliases uses ASCII only.

You can put Latin-1 characters there, but please make sure to save
authors.el in iso-2022-7bit encoding, and add a suitable coding:
cookie on its first line.

Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 2, Issue 49

[Stefan Monnier]

> > That sounds like a good idea.  But is it OK to put in Latin-1 characters
> > in the alias?  I see that all other aliases uses ASCII only.
> 
> You can put Latin-1 characters there, but please make sure to save
> authors.el in iso-2022-7bit encoding, and add a suitable coding:
> cookie on its first line.

I'd recommend we use utf-8 for it.  It's a much more widely recognized
standard.  If we end up needing to insert chars that Emacs doesn't know how
to en/decode to/from utf-8 we can switch to iso-2022-7bit, but until
that happens, I think utf-8 is preferable.


	Stefan

Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 2, Issue 49

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: "Stefan Monnier" <monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu>
> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 08:21:53 -0500
> > 
> > You can put Latin-1 characters there, but please make sure to save
> > authors.el in iso-2022-7bit encoding, and add a suitable coding:
> > cookie on its first line.
> 
> I'd recommend we use utf-8 for it.  It's a much more widely recognized
> standard.

I don't object, but the current practice is to use iso-2022-7bit or
emacs-mule, I think.  So unless this is changed, authors.el should be
encoded as the rest of similar files.

Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 2, Issue 49

[Kenichi Handa]

In article <8296-Mon27Jan2003205656+0200-eliz@is.elta.co.il>, "Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@is.elta.co.il> writes:
>>  From: "Stefan Monnier" <monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu>
>>  Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 08:21:53 -0500
>>  > 
>>  > You can put Latin-1 characters there, but please make sure to save
>>  > authors.el in iso-2022-7bit encoding, and add a suitable coding:
>>  > cookie on its first line.
>>  
>>  I'd recommend we use utf-8 for it.  It's a much more widely recognized
>>  standard.

> I don't object, but the current practice is to use iso-2022-7bit or
> emacs-mule, I think.  So unless this is changed, authors.el should be
> encoded as the rest of similar files.

I also don't have a strong opinion, but, it seems that using
utf-8 is better because it may reveal a problem of using it
if any.  :-)

I feel that such staffs as unify-8859-on-encoding-mode must
be tested more.

---
Ken'ichi HANDA
handa@m17n.org

Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 2, Issue 49

[Richard Stallman]

    It would be simpler just to add yourself to the `author-aliases' list
    in emacs-lisp/authors.el

We would like to have people's names in ChangeLog anyway.
It is not hard to do, so he may as well do it.
Let's not propose other solutions when the right solution is not hard.

Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 2, Issue 49

[Eli Zaretskii]

On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, Jan D. wrote:

> Whe I started using e-mail, non-ASCII characters where not handeled well,
> so my last name was mangeled in all sorts of ways.  I just got tired
> of trying to fix this so I use just the initial.  But if there is
> a policy for this, I can change.

I don't know if there is a policy; my message was actually requesting 
that a policy decision be made ;-)

Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 2, Issue 49

[Kai Großjohann]

"Jan D." <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> writes:

> Changelogs are in iso-2022-7bit.  Is that what I must use for
> user-full-name?

No, that's not necessary.  iso-2022-7bit can encode characters in
various Latin-X encodings just fine.
-- 
Ambibibentists unite!

Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 2, Issue 49

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:43:09 +0100
> From: "Jan D." <jan.h.d@swipnet.se>
> 
> Is there any particular encoding
> or character set that shall be used for this?  Changelogs are in
> iso-2022-7bit.  Is that what I must use for user-full-name?

No need for such complications: Emacs will do that for you.  Just use
Latin-1 characters in your username, and Emacs will automatically
encode them in iso-2022-7bit (since that's how ChageLog file is
decoded when you visit it).

Re: Emacs-diffs Digest, Vol 2, Issue 49

[Richard Stallman]

    Whe I started using e-mail, non-ASCII characters where not handeled well,
    so my last name was mangeled in all sorts of ways.  I just got tired
    of trying to fix this so I use just the initial.  But if there is
    a policy for this, I can change.  Is there any particular encoding
    or character set that shall be used for this?  Changelogs are in
    iso-2022-7bit.  Is that what I must use for user-full-name?

user-full-name is a Lisp string.  If you set it up as the proper
Emacs value, with multibyte characters in it, Emacs will take care
of the rest.

It doesn't matter what coding system you use to encode your .emacs file.
As long as it represents these characters right and Emacs recognizes to use it,
you should get the right results.