From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kenichi Handa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: environment variable don't get coding conversion Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:56:16 +0900 (JST) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200301250056.JAA11689@etlken.m17n.org> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1043456147 30143 80.91.224.249 (25 Jan 2003 00:55:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:55:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18cEbq-0007q3-00 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 01:55:46 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18cEep-000324-00 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 01:58:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18cEdL-00072J-02 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:57:19 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18cEch-0006gm-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:56:39 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18cEca-0006aE-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:56:33 -0500 Original-Received: from tsukuba.m17n.org ([192.47.44.130]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18cEcN-0006I5-00; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:56:20 -0500 Original-Received: from fs.m17n.org (fs.m17n.org [192.47.44.2])h0P0uHk13603; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:56:17 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from handa@m17n.org) Original-Received: from etlken.m17n.org (etlken.m17n.org [192.47.44.125]) h0P0uHR08693; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:56:17 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: (from handa@localhost) by etlken.m17n.org (8.8.8+Sun/3.7W-2001040620) id JAA11689; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:56:16 +0900 (JST) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from Richard Stallman on Thu, 23 Jan 2003 03:00:09 -0500) User-Agent: SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.2 (Yagi-Nishiguchi) APEL/10.2 Emacs/21.2.92 (sparc-sun-solaris2.6) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) Original-cc: d.love@dl.ac.uk X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:11042 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:11042 In article , Richard Stallman writes: > (It seems to me that the basic problem is that the environment string > is exposed to Lisp, presumably because it predates multilingual > issues, and really shouldn't be. I think accessing it directly should > be deprecated.) > The general idea of Emacs is to expose data structure to the Lisp > program whenever possible. I see no reason to go against that here. But, I think it's also the general idea of Emacs to decode/encode characters automatically. As far as we expose process-environment, the strings in it should already be decoded. If we want undecoded string in it, we shouldn't expose it. --- Ken'ichi HANDA handa@m17n.org