From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stefan Monnier" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.psgml.devel Subject: Re: [Psgml-devel] Re: Key sequence C-c C-f C-e uses invalid prefix characters Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:10:25 -0500 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200301112010.h0BKAPb04482@rum.cs.yale.edu> References: <3DFE4E98.1080204@silmaril.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1042322855 31319 80.91.224.249 (11 Jan 2003 22:07:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 22:07:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stefan Monnier Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18XTmv-000890-00 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 23:07:33 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18XTtc-0000sa-00 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 23:14:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18XTni-0006U0-07 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 17:08:22 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18XRxn-00038X-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:10:39 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18XRxm-00034d-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:10:38 -0500 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu ([128.36.229.169]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18XRxk-00030v-00; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:10:36 -0500 Original-Received: (from monnier@localhost) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0BKAPb04482; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:10:25 -0500 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Original-To: Ron Ross X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 17:07:14 -0500 Original-cc: keichwa@gmx.net Original-cc: no-spam@cua.dk Original-cc: psgml-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Original-cc: kevinr@ihs.com Original-cc: Pavel@Janik.cz Original-cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-cc: mvidner@suse.cz Original-cc: lenst@lysator.liu.se Original-cc: rms@gnu.org Original-cc: Peter Flynn X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:10671 gmane.emacs.psgml.devel:94 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:10671 > > Last I heard (and that was before Dave's patches were incorporated), > > PSGML did not deal well at all with the situation where the DTD is > > unknown, which happens to be the standard case for me. This is > > why I spent some time improving sgml-mode. > > I believe that Dave's patches do bring PSGML to the point where it > > is about as good as sgml-mode when editing text without DTD, so maybe > > it is now good enough to replace sgml-mode. > > I must agree with Peter Flynn and question whether Emacs' default > *sgml*-mode be one that functions /a priori/ without a DTD. It's almost > a contradiction in terms. Maybe it's a contradiction in terms for you, but as I said, it's the standard case for me. The DTD exists, but I simply don't have it. And I really mean SGML, not just XML. The fact that sgml-mode doesn't even try to use a DTD is not a feature. But the fact that it tries to be useful even in the absence of a DTD is. Based on Dave's comments, I gather that psgml-mode now has a more "graceful degradation" when the DTD is missing, so this might all be a non-issue. Stefan